Hello all,
I'm on a streak now. Very relevant YouTube link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM.
I reached out Dr. Yuan-chao Tung, who is the director of the Center for Indigenous Studies at National Taiwan University in order to help find someone who can verify the language for the Sakizaya Wikipedia [1]. He referred me to an Austronesian languages expert who basically said that it would be difficult to find an *independent* expert because all of the scholars who are experts in Sakizaya are already contributors to it! That's more than good enough of a verification for me. :-)
Their activity [2] has been steady for a long time, with plenty of contributors. The localization [3] is done for the most used messages (they have actually translated around *6,000 MediaWiki messages* – 10 times what's required! MediaWiki core is 74 % finished, and several extensions are translated as well). Note that their language code, [szy], is very new – it was approved in January of this year. Before that, they used the language code [ais], which has now been deprecated in ISO 639. It's a long story. Until today [4] the language code [ais] was still used for Sakizaya in MediaWiki, but me and Nikerabbit (I did the easy parts, Nikerabbit the hard parts) changed it to the correct [szy].
Something to celebrate about this is that it will be the first Wikipedia in an indigenous language of Taiwan. Taiwan is considered the birthplace of the Austronesian language family, and it is there that the variety of Austronesian languages is greatest – out the primary branches of Austronesian languages, all but one (the Malayo-Polynesian languages) are spoken exclusively in Taiwan. So this will be a nice extension of Wikimedia's language diversity.
Another interesting thing about this language is that it doesn't seem to use capital letters at the start of sentences, but only in proper nouns. This will be the second language Wikipedia (after Lojban) to need to have the $wgCapitalLinks setting set to 'false'. :-)
[1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/szy [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/szy&... [3] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=szy [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174601
Looks good to me, and kind of corresponds to my proposal from a few weeks ago to accept academics' involvement in an Incubator as verification.
Thanks for handling the other recent verifications, too! I tried emailing several institutions in August and got no response, and you apparently were luckier.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ה׳, 17 באוק׳ 2019 ב-0:15 מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hello all,
I'm on a streak now. Very relevant YouTube link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM.
I reached out Dr. Yuan-chao Tung, who is the director of the Center for Indigenous Studies at National Taiwan University in order to help find someone who can verify the language for the Sakizaya Wikipedia [1]. He referred me to an Austronesian languages expert who basically said that it would be difficult to find an *independent* expert because all of the scholars who are experts in Sakizaya are already contributors to it! That's more than good enough of a verification for me. :-)
Their activity [2] has been steady for a long time, with plenty of contributors. The localization [3] is done for the most used messages (they have actually translated around *6,000 MediaWiki messages* – 10 times what's required! MediaWiki core is 74 % finished, and several extensions are translated as well). Note that their language code, [szy], is very new – it was approved in January of this year. Before that, they used the language code [ais], which has now been deprecated in ISO 639. It's a long story. Until today [4] the language code [ais] was still used for Sakizaya in MediaWiki, but me and Nikerabbit (I did the easy parts, Nikerabbit the hard parts) changed it to the correct [szy].
Something to celebrate about this is that it will be the first Wikipedia in an indigenous language of Taiwan. Taiwan is considered the birthplace of the Austronesian language family, and it is there that the variety of Austronesian languages is greatest – out the primary branches of Austronesian languages, all but one (the Malayo-Polynesian languages) are spoken exclusively in Taiwan. So this will be a nice extension of Wikimedia's language diversity.
Another interesting thing about this language is that it doesn't seem to use capital letters at the start of sentences, but only in proper nouns. This will be the second language Wikipedia (after Lojban) to need to have the $wgCapitalLinks setting set to 'false'. :-)
[1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/szy [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/szy&... [3] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=szy [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174601
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I agree with approval.
Am Do., 17. Okt. 2019 um 18:10 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
Looks good to me, and kind of corresponds to my proposal from a few weeks ago to accept academics' involvement in an Incubator as verification.
Thanks for handling the other recent verifications, too! I tried emailing several institutions in August and got no response, and you apparently were luckier.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ה׳, 17 באוק׳ 2019 ב-0:15 מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hello all,
I'm on a streak now. Very relevant YouTube link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM.
I reached out Dr. Yuan-chao Tung, who is the director of the Center for Indigenous Studies at National Taiwan University in order to help find someone who can verify the language for the Sakizaya Wikipedia [1]. He referred me to an Austronesian languages expert who basically said that it would be difficult to find an *independent* expert because all of the scholars who are experts in Sakizaya are already contributors to it! That's more than good enough of a verification for me. :-)
Their activity [2] has been steady for a long time, with plenty of contributors. The localization [3] is done for the most used messages (they have actually translated around *6,000 MediaWiki messages* – 10 times what's required! MediaWiki core is 74 % finished, and several extensions are translated as well). Note that their language code, [szy], is very new – it was approved in January of this year. Before that, they used the language code [ais], which has now been deprecated in ISO 639. It's a long story. Until today [4] the language code [ais] was still used for Sakizaya in MediaWiki, but me and Nikerabbit (I did the easy parts, Nikerabbit the hard parts) changed it to the correct [szy].
Something to celebrate about this is that it will be the first Wikipedia in an indigenous language of Taiwan. Taiwan is considered the birthplace of the Austronesian language family, and it is there that the variety of Austronesian languages is greatest – out the primary branches of Austronesian languages, all but one (the Malayo-Polynesian languages) are spoken exclusively in Taiwan. So this will be a nice extension of Wikimedia's language diversity.
Another interesting thing about this language is that it doesn't seem to use capital letters at the start of sentences, but only in proper nouns. This will be the second language Wikipedia (after Lojban) to need to have the $wgCapitalLinks setting set to 'false'. :-)
[1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/szy [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/szy&... [3] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=szy [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174601
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The bug for this wiki can now be created as well (once the settings discussions on https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wp/szy are finished).
Am Mo., 21. Okt. 2019 um 01:11 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
I agree with approval.
Am Do., 17. Okt. 2019 um 18:10 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
Looks good to me, and kind of corresponds to my proposal from a few weeks ago to accept academics' involvement in an Incubator as verification.
Thanks for handling the other recent verifications, too! I tried emailing several institutions in August and got no response, and you apparently were luckier.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ה׳, 17 באוק׳ 2019 ב-0:15 מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hello all,
I'm on a streak now. Very relevant YouTube link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM.
I reached out Dr. Yuan-chao Tung, who is the director of the Center for Indigenous Studies at National Taiwan University in order to help find someone who can verify the language for the Sakizaya Wikipedia [1]. He referred me to an Austronesian languages expert who basically said that it would be difficult to find an *independent* expert because all of the scholars who are experts in Sakizaya are already contributors to it! That's more than good enough of a verification for me. :-)
Their activity [2] has been steady for a long time, with plenty of contributors. The localization [3] is done for the most used messages (they have actually translated around *6,000 MediaWiki messages* – 10 times what's required! MediaWiki core is 74 % finished, and several extensions are translated as well). Note that their language code, [szy], is very new – it was approved in January of this year. Before that, they used the language code [ais], which has now been deprecated in ISO 639. It's a long story. Until today [4] the language code [ais] was still used for Sakizaya in MediaWiki, but me and Nikerabbit (I did the easy parts, Nikerabbit the hard parts) changed it to the correct [szy].
Something to celebrate about this is that it will be the first Wikipedia in an indigenous language of Taiwan. Taiwan is considered the birthplace of the Austronesian language family, and it is there that the variety of Austronesian languages is greatest – out the primary branches of Austronesian languages, all but one (the Malayo-Polynesian languages) are spoken exclusively in Taiwan. So this will be a nice extension of Wikimedia's language diversity.
Another interesting thing about this language is that it doesn't seem to use capital letters at the start of sentences, but only in proper nouns. This will be the second language Wikipedia (after Lojban) to need to have the $wgCapitalLinks setting set to 'false'. :-)
[1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/szy [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/szy&... [3] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=szy [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174601
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Yup, I'll do it as soon as I clear up the namespace bit. The namespace translations they supplied for the talk spaces seem incredibly long, so I would like to be sure it's correct from the beginning.
ons. 30. okt. 2019 kl. 02:06 skrev MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
The bug for this wiki can now be created as well (once the settings discussions on https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wp/szy are finished).
Am Mo., 21. Okt. 2019 um 01:11 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < mfwarburg@googlemail.com>:
I agree with approval.
Am Do., 17. Okt. 2019 um 18:10 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
Looks good to me, and kind of corresponds to my proposal from a few weeks ago to accept academics' involvement in an Incubator as verification.
Thanks for handling the other recent verifications, too! I tried emailing several institutions in August and got no response, and you apparently were luckier.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ה׳, 17 באוק׳ 2019 ב-0:15 מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hello all,
I'm on a streak now. Very relevant YouTube link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM.
I reached out Dr. Yuan-chao Tung, who is the director of the Center for Indigenous Studies at National Taiwan University in order to help find someone who can verify the language for the Sakizaya Wikipedia [1]. He referred me to an Austronesian languages expert who basically said that it would be difficult to find an *independent* expert because all of the scholars who are experts in Sakizaya are already contributors to it! That's more than good enough of a verification for me. :-)
Their activity [2] has been steady for a long time, with plenty of contributors. The localization [3] is done for the most used messages (they have actually translated around *6,000 MediaWiki messages* – 10 times what's required! MediaWiki core is 74 % finished, and several extensions are translated as well). Note that their language code, [szy], is very new – it was approved in January of this year. Before that, they used the language code [ais], which has now been deprecated in ISO 639. It's a long story. Until today [4] the language code [ais] was still used for Sakizaya in MediaWiki, but me and Nikerabbit (I did the easy parts, Nikerabbit the hard parts) changed it to the correct [szy].
Something to celebrate about this is that it will be the first Wikipedia in an indigenous language of Taiwan. Taiwan is considered the birthplace of the Austronesian language family, and it is there that the variety of Austronesian languages is greatest – out the primary branches of Austronesian languages, all but one (the Malayo-Polynesian languages) are spoken exclusively in Taiwan. So this will be a nice extension of Wikimedia's language diversity.
Another interesting thing about this language is that it doesn't seem to use capital letters at the start of sentences, but only in proper nouns. This will be the second language Wikipedia (after Lojban) to need to have the $wgCapitalLinks setting set to 'false'. :-)
[1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/szy [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/szy&... [3] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=szy [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174601
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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