MF-W (and Committee): Hindi Wikisource has already far surpassed the eligibility requirement for February, making a fourth consecutive eligible month. There are 5,554 pages in the test project. In my view, for what that's worth:
* If MF-W wants to start a discussion on not spinning off future Wikisource projects, he can certainly do that. I'd venture that such a change would require both a 2/3 vote in this committee and also Board approval, though I may be mistaken. But we can go down that path, no doubt. * It would be highly unfair to apply such a rule to Hindi Wikisource, which has worked diligently toward a project under the current rules. Even if we change the rules going forward, this project should be approved.
MF-W, are you willing to withdraw your objection so that we can move this forward? Thanks. Steven
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:58:48 +0100 From: MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Hindi Wikisource Message-ID: CAJKMOMXY+YS7=Aw8BCkRJjY3Vsy8Sr6nBQcLT7anQk2JKCo=Bw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Am Di., 29. Jan. 2019 um 16:46 Uhr schrieb Steven White < koala19890@hotmail.com>:
Leaving aside the question of whether we should change policies about separate-language Wikisource projects for the time being, I'll note that our longstanding policy has been that three consecutive months of qualifying activity is sufficient to meet the "active test community" requirement. I routinely tell that to test communities. If we want to change that in the future, we can do so. But in this case, the test community has already done everything we have asked of it.
Besides, while it is important to ensure that each wiki we approve continues to have a contributing community, I worry less about Wikisource (and Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikiquote) than I do about Wikipedia–Wikinews–Wikitravel. Information gets stale (or is quite subject to political manipulation) in the latter group, less so in the former group.
So I think we need to proceed with this approval. Steven
Yes, "active" is thought of as "at least several months", and "at least several" means at least 3. So here we're at the lower threshold, not at some level where we "need to" approve.
I agree with Steven here. A sysop from multilingual Wikisource reached
out to me recently to ask if we are going to have a separate Hindi Wikisource soon, since it was feared that the multilingual Wikisource might become the de facto Hindi Wikisource.
I have read that as well somewhere. What kind of argument is that supposed to be? It's not like any other languages' "space" is taken up by the Hindi content.
I agree on this! We should be moving forward with this. Hindi Wikisource is big enough and active enough to have its own project.
On Wed, 6 Feb, 2019, 6:13 PM Steven White, koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
MF-W (and Committee): Hindi Wikisource has already far surpassed the eligibility requirement for February, making a fourth consecutive eligible month. There are 5,554 pages in the test project. In my view, for what that's worth:
- If MF-W wants to start a discussion on not spinning off future
Wikisource projects, he can certainly do that. I'd venture that such a change would require both a 2/3 vote in this committee and also Board approval, though I may be mistaken. But we can go down that path, no doubt.
- It would be highly unfair to apply such a rule to Hindi Wikisource,
which has worked diligently toward a project under the current rules. Even if we change the rules going forward, this project should be approved.
MF-W, are you willing to withdraw your objection so that we can move this forward? Thanks. Steven
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- Re: Approval for Hindi Wikisource (MF-Warburg)
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:58:48 +0100 From: MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Hindi Wikisource Message-ID: <CAJKMOMXY+YS7=Aw8BCkRJjY3Vsy8Sr6nBQcLT7anQk2JKCo= Bw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Am Di., 29. Jan. 2019 um 16:46 Uhr schrieb Steven White < koala19890@hotmail.com>:
Leaving aside the question of whether we should change policies about separate-language Wikisource projects for the time being, I'll note that our longstanding policy has been that three consecutive months of qualifying activity is sufficient to meet the "active test community" requirement. I routinely tell that to test communities. If we want to change that in the future, we can do so. But in this case, the test community has already done everything we have asked of it.
Besides, while it is important to ensure that each wiki we approve continues to have a contributing community, I worry less about Wikisource (and Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikiquote) than I do about Wikipedia–Wikinews–Wikitravel. Information gets stale (or is quite
subject
to political manipulation) in the latter group, less so in the former
group.
So I think we need to proceed with this approval. Steven
Yes, "active" is thought of as "at least several months", and "at least several" means at least 3. So here we're at the lower threshold, not at some level where we "need to" approve.
I agree with Steven here. A sysop from multilingual Wikisource reached
out to me recently to ask if we are going to have a separate Hindi Wikisource soon, since it was feared that the multilingual Wikisource might become the de facto Hindi Wikisource.
I have read that as well somewhere. What kind of argument is that supposed to be? It's not like any other languages' "space" is taken up by the Hindi content.
I see no reason in delaying this.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Program Officer GLAM and Underrepresented Knowledge Wikimedia Foundation
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 23:24, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I agree on this! We should be moving forward with this. Hindi Wikisource is big enough and active enough to have its own project.
On Wed, 6 Feb, 2019, 6:13 PM Steven White, koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
MF-W (and Committee): Hindi Wikisource has already far surpassed the eligibility requirement for February, making a fourth consecutive eligible month. There are 5,554 pages in the test project. In my view, for what that's worth:
- If MF-W wants to start a discussion on not spinning off future
Wikisource projects, he can certainly do that. I'd venture that such a change would require both a 2/3 vote in this committee and also Board approval, though I may be mistaken. But we can go down that path, no doubt.
- It would be highly unfair to apply such a rule to Hindi Wikisource,
which has worked diligently toward a project under the current rules. Even if we change the rules going forward, this project should be approved.
MF-W, are you willing to withdraw your objection so that we can move this forward? Thanks. Steven
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- Re: Approval for Hindi Wikisource (MF-Warburg)
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:58:48 +0100 From: MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Hindi Wikisource Message-ID: <CAJKMOMXY+YS7=Aw8BCkRJjY3Vsy8Sr6nBQcLT7anQk2JKCo= Bw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Am Di., 29. Jan. 2019 um 16:46 Uhr schrieb Steven White < koala19890@hotmail.com>:
Leaving aside the question of whether we should change policies about separate-language Wikisource projects for the time being, I'll note that our longstanding policy has been that three consecutive months of qualifying activity is sufficient to meet the "active test community" requirement. I routinely tell that to test communities. If we want to change that in the future, we can do so. But in this case, the test community has already done everything we have asked of it.
Besides, while it is important to ensure that each wiki we approve continues to have a contributing community, I worry less about
Wikisource
(and Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikiquote) than I do about Wikipedia–Wikinews–Wikitravel. Information gets stale (or is quite
subject
to political manipulation) in the latter group, less so in the former
group.
So I think we need to proceed with this approval. Steven
Yes, "active" is thought of as "at least several months", and "at least several" means at least 3. So here we're at the lower threshold, not at some level where we "need to" approve.
I agree with Steven here. A sysop from multilingual Wikisource reached
out to me recently to ask if we are going to have a separate Hindi Wikisource soon, since it was feared that the multilingual Wikisource might become the de facto Hindi Wikisource.
I have read that as well somewhere. What kind of argument is that supposed to be? It's not like any other languages' "space" is taken up by the Hindi content.
Me neither.
Den ons. 20. feb. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com:
I see no reason in delaying this.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Program Officer GLAM and Underrepresented Knowledge Wikimedia Foundation
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 23:24, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I agree on this! We should be moving forward with this. Hindi Wikisource is big enough and active enough to have its own project.
On Wed, 6 Feb, 2019, 6:13 PM Steven White, koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
MF-W (and Committee): Hindi Wikisource has already far surpassed the eligibility requirement for February, making a fourth consecutive eligible month. There are 5,554 pages in the test project. In my view, for what that's worth:
- If MF-W wants to start a discussion on not spinning off future
Wikisource projects, he can certainly do that. I'd venture that such a change would require both a 2/3 vote in this committee and also Board approval, though I may be mistaken. But we can go down that path, no doubt.
- It would be highly unfair to apply such a rule to Hindi
Wikisource, which has worked diligently toward a project under the current rules. Even if we change the rules going forward, this project should be approved.
MF-W, are you willing to withdraw your objection so that we can move this forward? Thanks. Steven
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- Re: Approval for Hindi Wikisource (MF-Warburg)
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:58:48 +0100 From: MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Hindi Wikisource Message-ID: <CAJKMOMXY+YS7=Aw8BCkRJjY3Vsy8Sr6nBQcLT7anQk2JKCo= Bw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Am Di., 29. Jan. 2019 um 16:46 Uhr schrieb Steven White < koala19890@hotmail.com>:
Leaving aside the question of whether we should change policies about separate-language Wikisource projects for the time being, I'll note
that
our longstanding policy has been that three consecutive months of qualifying activity is sufficient to meet the "active test community" requirement. I routinely tell that to test communities. If we want to change that in the future, we can do so. But in this case, the test community has already done everything we have asked of it.
Besides, while it is important to ensure that each wiki we approve continues to have a contributing community, I worry less about
Wikisource
(and Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikiquote) than I do about Wikipedia–Wikinews–Wikitravel. Information gets stale (or is quite
subject
to political manipulation) in the latter group, less so in the former
group.
So I think we need to proceed with this approval. Steven
Yes, "active" is thought of as "at least several months", and "at least several" means at least 3. So here we're at the lower threshold, not at some level where we "need to" approve.
I agree with Steven here. A sysop from multilingual Wikisource reached
out to me recently to ask if we are going to have a separate Hindi Wikisource soon, since it was feared that the multilingual Wikisource might become the de facto Hindi Wikisource.
I have read that as well somewhere. What kind of argument is that supposed to be? It's not like any other languages' "space" is taken up by the Hindi content.