Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
1. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
When I try to see what's wrong on the page, I get this... 2016/05/15 14:48 "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
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Thanks, Gerard,
I support this in principle. It could set a standard for other sign languages as well. I expect that there is a dedicated community which would make the ASL wikipedia a viable reality?
Looking forward to hearing more about this, Oliver
On 15-May-16 9:47 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, I included Valerie. She stands for the organisation that makes and made both SignWriting and this Wikipedia a realisty. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 10:45, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
Thanks, Gerard,
I support this in principle. It could set a standard for other sign languages as well. I expect that there is a dedicated community which would make the ASL wikipedia a viable reality?
Looking forward to hearing more about this, Oliver
On 15-May-16 9:47 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Hello Gerard and Oliver and the Language Committee -
Thank you for this attention. There are two Sign Language Wikipedias now, on Wikimedia Incubator, with articles:
American Sign Language Wikipedia https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase
and
Tunisian Sign Language Wikipedia https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/tse
The Tunisian Sign Language Wikipedia has three articles - They are beautiful articles and I am so proud and happy for the Tunisians, who are remarkable people.
The American Sign Language Wikipedia has more articles - I am not sure - it is around 54 I believe.
Lately there has been more activity, and that is great to see that - I love the recent articles on Star Wars, Elon Musk and 3-D Printers in the ASL Wikipedia - very timely articles ;-)
All of this has been made possible by Wikimedia's generosity to give us the Incubator space to encourage writers to contribute - thank you for that - and to the two software developers who have put in so much time to make it possible for us to write directly in the SignWriting Script - Steve Slevinski and Yair Rand.
Steve and Yair are the two technicians to talk to, about the software development behind the Sign Language Wikipedias on Incubator. I have included them in this email, since I am not a software developer myself and I cannot answer your software-related questions -
Yair Rand developed the Javascript Keyboard we are using, in combination with SignPuddle software, to write the articles -
I hope Steve and Yair can answer your question, Oliver, which is at the bottom of this email -
Anyway - I agree, Gerard, it is cool to see such beautiful articles in written ASL.
Best to all of you -
Val ;-)
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On May 15, 2016, at 2:07 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I included Valerie. She stands for the organisation that makes and made both SignWriting and this Wikipedia a realisty. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 10:45, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen@sil.org mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org> wrote: Thanks, Gerard,
I support this in principle. It could set a standard for other sign languages as well. I expect that there is a dedicated community which would make the ASL wikipedia a viable reality?
Looking forward to hearing more about this, Oliver
On 15-May-16 9:47 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
- https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4... https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x474S1f720490x497S11a20495x516_M511x551S18620493x450S1f720489x483S11a20494x502S20320494x536
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On May 15, 2016, at 12:04 AM, gfb hjjhjh c933103@gmail.com wrote:
When I try to see what's wrong on the page, I get this...
2016/05/15 14:48 "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
- https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4... https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x474S1f720490x497S11a20495x516_M511x551S18620493x450S1f720489x483S11a20494x502S20320494x536
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2016-05-15 8:47 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
Have you enabled the gadget necessary for showing signs instead of a ton of numbers?
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well.
I don't understand this sentence. Do you propose to approve it? I see it does by far fail to fulfill the activity requirements for approval < https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/ase&...
.
Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
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On 5/15/16 5:17 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:
Have you enabled the gadget necessary for showing signs instead of a ton of numbers?
The SignWriting gadget requires a specific skin. The gadget is not currently available for mobile. The gadget works on desktop for all browsers.
This is probably an issue that Yair Rand can more fully address.
Regards, -Steve
I'm not sure what is the work that Gerard is talking about. I don't know any sign language, but the rendering appears OK to me.
The volunteers' work on vertical display is really commendable. It's even more impressive when the UI language is set to ase: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
I do wonder about this (and I believe that I raised this already): when SignWriting enters Unicode, will it be possible to convert the content without trouble? A not-quite-Unicode project is already a problem. If it's at least forward-compatible with Unicode, I'll be less reluctant to support this.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-05-15 9:47 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, The code is 100% in line with what is being pondered on at Unicode. If worst comes to worst, It will be converted by Steve Slevinsky the guru who does all the technical legwork. I do disagree that everything is fine. I want to see MediaWiki with a top down interface and that is what it does not offer. Thanks, GerardM
On 19 May 2016 at 11:29, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I'm not sure what is the work that Gerard is talking about. I don't know any sign language, but the rendering appears OK to me.
The volunteers' work on vertical display is really commendable. It's even more impressive when the UI language is set to ase:
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
I do wonder about this (and I believe that I raised this already): when SignWriting enters Unicode, will it be possible to convert the content without trouble? A not-quite-Unicode project is already a problem. If it's at least forward-compatible with Unicode, I'll be less reluctant to support this.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-05-15 9:47 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Hello Amir and Everyone...
I am glad to know that you have seen the outstanding and impressive programming that went into creating written SignWriting in vertical columns on the Wikimedia Incubator. Many thanks to everyone who volunteered their time, and continue to volunteer their time to make this possible.
Regarding Unicode...
SignWriting was established in Unicode version 8 in mid-2015. So it is in Unicode already.
Here is a link:
Wikipedia: SignWriting Unicode Block https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton_SignWriting_(Unicode_block)
SignWriting Character Viewer http://signbank.org/SignWriting_Character_Viewer.html#?ui=en&set=uni8
The only problem? It is not working correctly within Unicode to give us the layout issues... In other words, the characters of the International SignWriting Alphabet (the ISWA 2010) are officially in Unicode right now...and we have the TrueType Fonts developed so technically the characters can be typed from left to right in a long row in Unicode right now...
....but that is not the way Deaf people write using those symbols - they write in visual clusters and in vertical columns - For example - let us imagine a sign that places the hand on top of the head - Deaf people actually place that hand symbol above or on top of the head symbol...but Unicode right now cannot do that...it will take adjustments to the Unicode to make that possible. It can definitely be done. We have already given them the proposal we feel will work. But the Unicode committees have to make the decision to allow this unusual way of writing.
Meanwhile, we already have functioning Sign Language Wikipedias on the Wikimedia Incubator, without Unicode, and we can type the edits directly on the web in full correctly-written SignWriting, and we have all the layout issue solved and we are reading in vertical columns...all this without Unicode.
So we have succeeded without Unicode, while we are waiting for the Unicode committees to complete the layout issues (smile ;-)
No matter what happens, I want to thank you all for this amazing opportunity of showing the world that we can indeed write Sign Language Wikipedias and I predict that articles will continue to be written in the Incubator and that is wonderful!
If you wish to discuss the technical issues further, the two technicians to write to are Steve Slevinski and Yair Rand.
Thank you once again -
Val ;-)
Valerie Sutton sutton@signwriting.org
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On May 19, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I'm not sure what is the work that Gerard is talking about. I don't know any sign language, but the rendering appears OK to me.
The volunteers' work on vertical display is really commendable. It's even more impressive when the UI language is set to ase: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4... https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x474S1f720490x497S11a20495x516_M511x551S18620493x450S1f720489x483S11a20494x502S20320494x536?uselang=ase
I do wonder about this (and I believe that I raised this already): when SignWriting enters Unicode, will it be possible to convert the content without trouble? A not-quite-Unicode project is already a problem. If it's at least forward-compatible with Unicode, I'll be less reluctant to support this.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com http://aharoni.wordpress.com/ “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-05-15 9:47 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
- https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4... https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x474S1f720490x497S11a20495x516_M511x551S18620493x450S1f720489x483S11a20494x502S20320494x536
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Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
I take it you didn't read my mail. Am 24.05.2016 14:23 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, It takes a font that is available from the MediaWiki software. I know that ASL does not fulfill our formal requirements but the flipside is that there are many technical issues that do not come to light in the Incubator.
The purpose of having a Wikipedia in ASL is that we will learn how to do a top down oriented language. It is a first. What it also does is give a ton of positive attention to both Wikipedia and the use of Sign Writing. So as I have indicated, the formal requirements are in this a hindrance. With ASL live, we will gain the technical issues clear. We will find that more people will start writing ASL and focus it on Wikipedia.
All reasons why we should. Thanks, GerardM
On 24 May 2016 at 15:16, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
I take it you didn't read my mail. Am 24.05.2016 14:23 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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2016-05-24 17:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, It takes a font that is available from the MediaWiki software. I know that ASL does not fulfill our formal requirements but the flipside is that there are many technical issues that do not come to light in the Incubator.
Do you mean that ASL in Incubator has technical problems which would be solved by moving to a subdomain? The opposite was said by Valerie: "Meanwhile, we already have functioning Sign Language Wikipedias on the Wikimedia Incubator, without Unicode, and we can type the edits directly on the web in full correctly-written SignWriting, and we have all the layout issue solved and we are reading in vertical columns...all this without Unicode." etc. "I predict that articles will continue to be written in the Incubator and that is wonderful!"
The purpose of having a Wikipedia in ASL is that we will learn how to do a top down oriented language. It is a first. What it also does is give a ton of positive attention to both Wikipedia and the use of Sign Writing. So as I have indicated, the formal requirements are in this a hindrance. With ASL live, we will gain the technical issues clear. We will find that more people will start writing ASL and focus it on Wikipedia.
With this argumentation, we could approve just anything because it will give positive attention to language XY. No thanks.
All reasons why we should. Thanks, GerardM
On 24 May 2016 at 15:16, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
I take it you didn't read my mail. Am 24.05.2016 14:23 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
:
Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Hello Everyone - Thank you for this attention to the ASL Wikipedia. I am not a software developer myself. I just see Deaf ASL writers posting articles in the ASL Wikipedia on Incubator, so from my perspective it seems to be working...
I notice that Gerard mentioned that there may be some technical issues that "do not come to light" in the incubator... If this is true, then maybe we can work on those issues right now.
What is needed from us to improve the ASL Wikipedia?
Val ;-)
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On May 25, 2016, at 10:38 AM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
2016-05-24 17:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: Hoi, It takes a font that is available from the MediaWiki software. I know that ASL does not fulfill our formal requirements but the flipside is that there are many technical issues that do not come to light in the Incubator.
Do you mean that ASL in Incubator has technical problems which would be solved by moving to a subdomain? The opposite was said by Valerie: "Meanwhile, we already have functioning Sign Language Wikipedias on the Wikimedia Incubator, without Unicode, and we can type the edits directly on the web in full correctly-written SignWriting, and we have all the layout issue solved and we are reading in vertical columns...all this without Unicode." etc. "I predict that articles will continue to be written in the Incubator and that is wonderful!"
The purpose of having a Wikipedia in ASL is that we will learn how to do a top down oriented language. It is a first. What it also does is give a ton of positive attention to both Wikipedia and the use of Sign Writing. So as I have indicated, the formal requirements are in this a hindrance. With ASL live, we will gain the technical issues clear. We will find that more people will start writing ASL and focus it on Wikipedia.
With this argumentation, we could approve just anything because it will give positive attention to language XY. No thanks.
All reasons why we should. Thanks, GerardM
On 24 May 2016 at 15:16, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>wrote: I take it you didn't read my mail.
Am 24.05.2016 14:23 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote: Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
- https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4... https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x474S1f720490x497S11a20495x516_M511x551S18620493x450S1f720489x483S11a20494x502S20320494x536
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I say the same the thing to all the people who write in all the Incubators: Write more articles in the Incubator in your language. That's the single most important thing.
If there is any technical issue that prevents you from writing or reading articles, I'd love to hear details about them.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-05-25 11:03 GMT-07:00 Valerie Sutton sutton@signwriting.org:
Hello Everyone - Thank you for this attention to the ASL Wikipedia. I am not a software developer myself. I just see Deaf ASL writers posting articles in the ASL Wikipedia on Incubator, so from my perspective it seems to be working...
I notice that Gerard mentioned that there may be some technical issues that "do not come to light" in the incubator... If this is true, then maybe we can work on those issues right now.
What is needed from us to improve the ASL Wikipedia?
Val ;-)
On May 25, 2016, at 10:38 AM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
2016-05-24 17:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, It takes a font that is available from the MediaWiki software. I know that ASL does not fulfill our formal requirements but the flipside is that there are many technical issues that do not come to light in the Incubator.
Do you mean that ASL in Incubator has technical problems which would be solved by moving to a subdomain? The opposite was said by Valerie: "Meanwhile, we already have functioning Sign Language Wikipedias on the Wikimedia Incubator, without Unicode, and we can type the edits directly on the web in full correctly-written SignWriting, and we have all the layout issue solved and we are reading in vertical columns...all this without Unicode." etc. "I predict that articles will continue to be written in the Incubator and that is wonderful!"
The purpose of having a Wikipedia in ASL is that we will learn how to do a top down oriented language. It is a first. What it also does is give a ton of positive attention to both Wikipedia and the use of Sign Writing. So as I have indicated, the formal requirements are in this a hindrance. With ASL live, we will gain the technical issues clear. We will find that more people will start writing ASL and focus it on Wikipedia.
With this argumentation, we could approve just anything because it will give positive attention to language XY. No thanks.
All reasons why we should. Thanks, GerardM
On 24 May 2016 at 15:16, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.comwrote:
I take it you didn't read my mail. Am 24.05.2016 14:23 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
:
Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
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Hello Amir - So when do you move a Wikipedia from the Incubator to the Wikipedia.org site? What milestone needs to be met to have that happen?
Val ;-)
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On May 31, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I say the same the thing to all the people who write in all the Incubators: Write more articles in the Incubator in your language. That's the single most important thing.
If there is any technical issue that prevents you from writing or reading articles, I'd love to hear details about them.
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2016-05-25 11:03 GMT-07:00 Valerie Sutton <sutton@signwriting.org mailto:sutton@signwriting.org>: Hello Everyone - Thank you for this attention to the ASL Wikipedia. I am not a software developer myself. I just see Deaf ASL writers posting articles in the ASL Wikipedia on Incubator, so from my perspective it seems to be working...
I notice that Gerard mentioned that there may be some technical issues that "do not come to light" in the incubator... If this is true, then maybe we can work on those issues right now.
What is needed from us to improve the ASL Wikipedia?
Val ;-)
On May 25, 2016, at 10:38 AM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote:
2016-05-24 17:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: Hoi, It takes a font that is available from the MediaWiki software. I know that ASL does not fulfill our formal requirements but the flipside is that there are many technical issues that do not come to light in the Incubator.
Do you mean that ASL in Incubator has technical problems which would be solved by moving to a subdomain? The opposite was said by Valerie: "Meanwhile, we already have functioning Sign Language Wikipedias on the Wikimedia Incubator, without Unicode, and we can type the edits directly on the web in full correctly-written SignWriting, and we have all the layout issue solved and we are reading in vertical columns...all this without Unicode." etc. "I predict that articles will continue to be written in the Incubator and that is wonderful!"
The purpose of having a Wikipedia in ASL is that we will learn how to do a top down oriented language. It is a first. What it also does is give a ton of positive attention to both Wikipedia and the use of Sign Writing. So as I have indicated, the formal requirements are in this a hindrance. With ASL live, we will gain the technical issues clear. We will find that more people will start writing ASL and focus it on Wikipedia.
With this argumentation, we could approve just anything because it will give positive attention to language XY. No thanks.
All reasons why we should. Thanks, GerardM
On 24 May 2016 at 15:16, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>wrote: I take it you didn't read my mail.
Am 24.05.2016 14:23 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote: Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
- https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4... https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x474S1f720490x497S11a20495x516_M511x551S18620493x450S1f720489x483S11a20494x502S20320494x536
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The incubator activity is low: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/ase&...
As you can see, one user made a lot of edits in March 2016, and two more did a few dozens more. In most other months there were hardly any edits at all.
There was never a particular number that was defined as a "passing" criterion, but only one user in one month is definitely way too low.
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2016-05-31 21:23 GMT-07:00 Valerie Sutton sutton@signwriting.org:
Hello Amir - So when do you move a Wikipedia from the Incubator to the Wikipedia.org http://wikipedia.org site? What milestone needs to be met to have that happen?
Val ;-)
Valerie Sutton sutton@signwriting.org
On May 31, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I say the same the thing to all the people who write in all the Incubators: Write more articles in the Incubator in your language. That's the single most important thing.
If there is any technical issue that prevents you from writing or reading articles, I'd love to hear details about them.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-05-25 11:03 GMT-07:00 Valerie Sutton sutton@signwriting.org:
Hello Everyone - Thank you for this attention to the ASL Wikipedia. I am not a software developer myself. I just see Deaf ASL writers posting articles in the ASL Wikipedia on Incubator, so from my perspective it seems to be working...
I notice that Gerard mentioned that there may be some technical issues that "do not come to light" in the incubator... If this is true, then maybe we can work on those issues right now.
What is needed from us to improve the ASL Wikipedia?
Val ;-)
On May 25, 2016, at 10:38 AM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
2016-05-24 17:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, It takes a font that is available from the MediaWiki software. I know that ASL does not fulfill our formal requirements but the flipside is that there are many technical issues that do not come to light in the Incubator.
Do you mean that ASL in Incubator has technical problems which would be solved by moving to a subdomain? The opposite was said by Valerie: "Meanwhile, we already have functioning Sign Language Wikipedias on the Wikimedia Incubator, without Unicode, and we can type the edits directly on the web in full correctly-written SignWriting, and we have all the layout issue solved and we are reading in vertical columns...all this without Unicode." etc. "I predict that articles will continue to be written in the Incubator and that is wonderful!"
The purpose of having a Wikipedia in ASL is that we will learn how to do a top down oriented language. It is a first. What it also does is give a ton of positive attention to both Wikipedia and the use of Sign Writing. So as I have indicated, the formal requirements are in this a hindrance. With ASL live, we will gain the technical issues clear. We will find that more people will start writing ASL and focus it on Wikipedia.
With this argumentation, we could approve just anything because it will give positive attention to language XY. No thanks.
All reasons why we should. Thanks, GerardM
On 24 May 2016 at 15:16, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.comwrote:
I take it you didn't read my mail. Am 24.05.2016 14:23 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
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Hoi, The ASL Wikipedia will be the first Wikipedia that has a top down orientation. This is something that will affect MediaWiki, Commons and Wikidata. I disagree that we have a fully functioning ASL in the incubator. It is why a project in this way will be beneficial
We have always had the option to allow for a change from the rules when the situation warrants it. This is one. It is an organisation that will continue to support this project. It is completely and utterly in line with what we stand for.
So yes for all the above reasons we should. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 May 2016 at 19:38, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
2016-05-24 17:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, It takes a font that is available from the MediaWiki software. I know that ASL does not fulfill our formal requirements but the flipside is that there are many technical issues that do not come to light in the Incubator.
Do you mean that ASL in Incubator has technical problems which would be solved by moving to a subdomain? The opposite was said by Valerie: "Meanwhile, we already have functioning Sign Language Wikipedias on the Wikimedia Incubator, without Unicode, and we can type the edits directly on the web in full correctly-written SignWriting, and we have all the layout issue solved and we are reading in vertical columns...all this without Unicode." etc. "I predict that articles will continue to be written in the Incubator and that is wonderful!"
The purpose of having a Wikipedia in ASL is that we will learn how to do a top down oriented language. It is a first. What it also does is give a ton of positive attention to both Wikipedia and the use of Sign Writing. So as I have indicated, the formal requirements are in this a hindrance. With ASL live, we will gain the technical issues clear. We will find that more people will start writing ASL and focus it on Wikipedia.
With this argumentation, we could approve just anything because it will give positive attention to language XY. No thanks.
All reasons why we should. Thanks, GerardM
On 24 May 2016 at 15:16, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
I take it you didn't read my mail. Am 24.05.2016 14:23 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
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Hoi, I take it that there are no objections and I intent to move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 May 2016 at 08:47, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting.
I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x4...
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