Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to reject the remaining Northern Luri proposal on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern.... Also the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked again and this request rejectedhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Shumerian.
This Wiktionary has no proposalhttps://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux, but it was created by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's Arctic Knot conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly saving so I say nuke it. The wp version of this has already been nuked.
Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sam... 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra_...
This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few written sourceshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Norn, which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of Nynorn or some other language: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be nuked and buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the language (cf. "Wiki hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if there is any reason they think it should be saved.
mvh. -K
Hoi, I take it that you mean that they are not eligible. For me that means that we will not approve at a later date.
The proposals in your mail.. OK Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 04:32, Kimberli Mäkäräinen < kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi> wrote:
Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to reject the remaining Northern Luri proposal on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern... . Also the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked again and this request rejected https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Shumerian .
This Wiktionary has no proposal https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux, but it was created by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's Arctic Knot conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly saving so I say nuke it. The wp version of this has already been nuked.
Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sam... 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra_...
This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few written sources https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Norn, which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of Nynorn or some other language: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be nuked and buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the language (cf. "Wiki hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if there is any reason they think it should be saved.
mvh. -K
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Moi,
If the Tundra (ykg) or Forest Yukaghir (yux) get interested in starting a wikimedia project in their language, I'll be happy to reconsider, but as it stands, this is unlikely since there are few active speakers of either language. I hope that someone restarts the Luri projects again, but not the way it has been done so far.
-K
________________________________ From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 8:22 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Langcom] Re: Some housekeeping
Hoi, I take it that you mean that they are not eligible. For me that means that we will not approve at a later date.
The proposals in your mail.. OK Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 04:32, Kimberli Mäkäräinen <kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fimailto:kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi> wrote: Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to reject the remaining Northern Luri proposal on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern.... Also the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked again and this request rejectedhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Shumerian.
This Wiktionary has no proposalhttps://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux, but it was created by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's Arctic Knot conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly saving so I say nuke it. The wp version of this has already been nuked.
Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sam... 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra_...
This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few written sourceshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Norn, which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of Nynorn or some other language: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be nuked and buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the language (cf. "Wiki hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if there is any reason they think it should be saved.
mvh. -K
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Not directly related but we have failed to impart the knowledge that creating a Wikipedia in your language is not the only way and not the best way in many cases for small language preservation and revitalization.
I hope we can build a robust onboarding experience for different languages based on their context.
Best Satdeep
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 6:35 AM Kimberli Mäkäräinen < kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi> wrote:
Moi,
If the Tundra (ykg) or Forest Yukaghir (yux) get interested in starting a wikimedia project in their language, I'll be happy to reconsider, but as it stands, this is unlikely since there are few active speakers of either language. I hope that someone restarts the Luri projects again, but not the way it has been done so far.
-K
*From:* Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 1, 2021 8:22 AM *To:* Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org
*Subject:* [Langcom] Re: Some housekeeping
Hoi, I take it that you mean that they are not eligible. For me that means that we will not approve at a later date.
The proposals in your mail.. OK Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 04:32, Kimberli Mäkäräinen < kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi> wrote:
Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to reject the remaining Northern Luri proposal on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern... . Also the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked again and this request rejected https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Shumerian .
This Wiktionary has no proposal https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux, but it was created by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's Arctic Knot conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly saving so I say nuke it. The wp version of this has already been nuked.
Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sam... 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra_...
This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few written sources https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Norn, which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of Nynorn or some other language: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be nuked and buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the language (cf. "Wiki hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if there is any reason they think it should be saved.
mvh. -K
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This is my hope too. Any ideas on how we can go about it?
-K
________________________________ From: Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:28 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Langcom] Re: Some housekeeping
Not directly related but we have failed to impart the knowledge that creating a Wikipedia in your language is not the only way and not the best way in many cases for small language preservation and revitalization.
I hope we can build a robust onboarding experience for different languages based on their context.
Best Satdeep
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 6:35 AM Kimberli Mäkäräinen <kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fimailto:kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi> wrote: Moi,
If the Tundra (ykg) or Forest Yukaghir (yux) get interested in starting a wikimedia project in their language, I'll be happy to reconsider, but as it stands, this is unlikely since there are few active speakers of either language. I hope that someone restarts the Luri projects again, but not the way it has been done so far.
-K
________________________________ From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.commailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 8:22 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Langcom] Re: Some housekeeping
Hoi, I take it that you mean that they are not eligible. For me that means that we will not approve at a later date.
The proposals in your mail.. OK Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 04:32, Kimberli Mäkäräinen <kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fimailto:kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi> wrote: Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to reject the remaining Northern Luri proposal on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern.... Also the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked again and this request rejectedhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Shumerian.
This Wiktionary has no proposalhttps://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux, but it was created by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's Arctic Knot conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly saving so I say nuke it. The wp version of this has already been nuked.
Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sam... 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra_...
This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few written sourceshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Norn, which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of Nynorn or some other language: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be nuked and buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the language (cf. "Wiki hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if there is any reason they think it should be saved.
mvh. -K
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Am Do., 1. Juli 2021 um 04:32 Uhr schrieb Kimberli Mäkäräinen < kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi>:
Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to reject the remaining Northern Luri proposal on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern... . Also the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked again and this request rejected https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Shumerian .
I deleted the N. L. request on Meta. As the language itself is eligible, but the request has only been touched by Mogoeilor & friends, I think this is the best solution for such cases - if eventually real speakers of the language turn up, they are not faced with a "rejection" that is not aimed at them.
Wp/sux is nuked, blocked from recreation and I rejected the request.
This Wiktionary has no proposal https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux, but it was created by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's Arctic Knot conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly saving so I say nuke it. The wp version of this has already been nuked.
Wt/yux pages are deleted. Wp/ykg as well.
Page creations are now blocked on Incubator for all yux and ykg pages, with a note that interested people should contact Langcom first.
Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sam... 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra_...
Marked the first one as rejected. It could also be deleted, but it's a nice document of Vallteri Lahti / Palmtree222's nonsense.
The second one has lots of discussions and Steven marked it as eligible (which it of course is). I would prefer deletion as mentioned above as well.
This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few
written sources https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Norn, which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of Nynorn or some other language: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be nuked and buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the language (cf. "Wiki hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if there is any reason they think it should be saved.
Thanks!