At this point, then, we have one member (Michael) who would support eligibility and one (Gerard) who would oppose. Are there any other opinions on this? (Please keep in mind that this project is nowhere near approvability.)
Steven
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Hoi, The point of eligibility is that when it is eligible it will mean that all other requirements are fulfilled, a new project will start. This does not apply in this situation. We do not tell Incubator what to do. We do tell them that a project has a prospect or not for the creation of a full project. Thanks, GerardM
On 13 June 2018 at 16:34, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
Gerard, your opinion puts me into a difficult situation. The formal "Requests for new languages" page does not specifically request a Latin-alphabet project. It simply requests a project. The language has enough speakers to be eligible by policy. Unless somebody checks out the project and tells me that what is written is not Khorasani Turkic at all, the project has enough activity to be eligible by policy. And under normal circumstances it is not our role to tell a community in Incubator how to run its project.
For these reasons, I don't really see a policy-based justification for not marking this request "eligible". The test is not so active that it will get anywhere near approvability any time soon. So I think for now, we have to mark it eligible. And if and when it comes up for approval, we can decide what to do at that point.
Steven
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I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian" situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the project, if ever, one of the following will have happened:
- Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people
will have come along and changed the content to that script.
- That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will
make use of the project in Latin script.
- Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a
modus vivendi between the two while the test is still in Incubator.
For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible".
Steven
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Hoi, It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson siorrai@evertype.com wrote:
I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to create one.
On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible.
But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts?