Sorry, Gerard, for probably annoying you but you're fine with *what*? Finding an outsider? Summarising N.Luri's progress for me?
On 01-May-15 10:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, I am fine with it Gerard
On 1 May 2015 at 20:52, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:
Good luck with finding one "outsider". On 5/1/2015 11:12 PM, Mjbmr wrote:Idk, why you guys are ignoring then? On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia, he would not be our preferred person to go to for verification. Verification should be done by someone not connected to wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look at the wiki articles through an unbiased lens. And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification, we first have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has fulfilled all requirements prior to the step of verification. I would hope that one of the LangCom members could summarise Northern Luri's progress again for computationally challenged folks like me. Thanks, Oliver On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:See here <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>, it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the verification. On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he has PhD, and he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification. On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us. Fwiw, Oliver On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner > to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that > in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress > toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks? > > A. > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg > <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > We obviously discuss > 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content > at all > 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already > 3. if no, whom to contact. > Then we contact people. > > 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov > <abartov@wikimedia.org mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>: > > I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the > expectation of this committee that nothing will > happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony > confirming that the content currently in the > Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? > Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such > testimony? > > A. > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen > <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com > mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hoi, > Reading an article does not make us an expert. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr > <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's the article I found titled "Update on > Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John > Anonby: original link > http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf, > you can see on the figure #2, said > "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main > dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other > dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the > figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, > said "Lurestani" is the main area of > Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects > is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki > language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the > figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of > Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the > "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" > and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as > well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares > the example differences between these > languages. > > > > On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: >> As I mentioned also concerning Western >> Balochi, we need an outside scholar / >> linguist / language expert for verification >> purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts? >> >> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote: >>> This >>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1 >>> is the list of top articles was provided >>> by Mogoeilor, even he named the language >>> of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their >>> main page, and I didn't see that. >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>> Yes. >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and >>>>> all languages is that they have to have >>>>> an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a >>>>> language not a macro language. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr >>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is no such thing as they are a >>>>> resources of world's languages, >>>>> people are the resources and they >>>>> only maintainer code, the unified >>>>> codes that the world uses. Is there >>>>> any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard >>>>> Meijssen wrote: >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the >>>>>> ISO-639-3. As such they are an >>>>>> authority. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr >>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a >>>>>> self verification too, but what >>>>>> do you expect me do to?, you >>>>>> can probably find a lot of >>>>>> trustable resources on the >>>>>> Internet, I my self can't even >>>>>> trust ethnologue, because I >>>>>> found unuseful information on >>>>>> it and I don't know where they >>>>>> come from, at least in >>>>>> Wikipedia, we have resources, I >>>>>> didn't expect that from you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard >>>>>> Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an >>>>>>> authority. It has never been. >>>>>>> Again, self certification does >>>>>>> not work for me.. We have been >>>>>>> hurt by that before. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, >>>>>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alright then, that's >>>>>>> Northern Luri, fair >>>>>>> enough, I didn't have any >>>>>>> knowledge that there is a >>>>>>> southern dialect of it and >>>>>>> people of Kohgiluyeh and >>>>>>> Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj >>>>>>> speak that, I only knew >>>>>>> Lorestan, but per English >>>>>>> wikipedia, they're >>>>>>> dialects of Northern Luri >>>>>>> which this wiki is written >>>>>>> in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, >>>>>>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> Check this out ... >>>>>>>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It rather complicates >>>>>>>> things... By the way self >>>>>>>> certification is not a >>>>>>>> good idea. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>>>>>> 22:45, Mjbmr >>>>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live >>>>>>>> Iran and I know some >>>>>>>> parts of this >>>>>>>> language, it is >>>>>>>> definitely Luri. >>>>>>>> Mohammad Mogoei >>>>>>>> (User:Mogoeilor) the >>>>>>>> most active user of >>>>>>>> this project is from >>>>>>>> Lorestan so >>>>>>>> definitely he speaks >>>>>>>> in this language >>>>>>>> every day. In Iran >>>>>>>> it's called Luri, >>>>>>>> some people call it >>>>>>>> Lurish >>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>>>>>> as the translation >>>>>>>> for English, per this >>>>>>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>>>>>>> the language should >>>>>>>> be called Northern >>>>>>>> Luri, but none of it >>>>>>>> dialects are called >>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it >>>>>>>> Luri too. I have also >>>>>>>> submitted and now >>>>>>>> accepted a ticket to >>>>>>>> CLDR to support this >>>>>>>> language. Other >>>>>>>> proposal of dialects >>>>>>>> of this language like >>>>>>>> Bakhtiari >>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>>>>>> failed because of >>>>>>>> being a part of this >>>>>>>> language. Also they >>>>>>>> list of article I've >>>>>>>> just provided are the >>>>>>>> best of them as you >>>>>>>> can see there are no >>>>>>>> Persian words in them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 >>>>>>>> AM, Gerard Meijssen >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>> Do we have >>>>>>>>> confirmation that it >>>>>>>>> is indeed Luri ? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Gerard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>>>>>>> 20:42, Mjbmr >>>>>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I ask langcom >>>>>>>>> members for >>>>>>>>> approval of Luri >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> here are some >>>>>>>>> top articles I >>>>>>>>> could list, but >>>>>>>>> there are more >>>>>>>>> of them >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت >>>>>>>>> انیشتین >>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>>>>>> (Albert >>>>>>>>> Einstein) >>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>>>>>>> (Colombia) >>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>>>>>> (Mostafa >>>>>>>>> Chamran) >>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>>>>>> (List of >>>>>>>>> rulers of Elam) >>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس >>>>>>>>> فوئنتس >>>>>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Analysis >>>>>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>>>>>> shows that this >>>>>>>>> project has >>>>>>>>> enough users and >>>>>>>>> most of >>>>>>>>> mediawiki >>>>>>>>> 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