Sorry, Gerard, but I'm voting with MF, mjbmr and Michael to let Azeri in Latin script keep az.wikipedia. I also vote for opening a new wikipedia for Azeri in Arabic script, preferably az-arab.wikipedia.
Further reasoning from my side: Asaf has already informed us that the rogue az:wp admin is to be dealt with by the stewards. We shouldn't punish an entire community because of one bad admin. The difficulties of having one Azeri wikipedia for both communities in different countries reading different scripts have been amply explained.
Let's not escalate that az:wp admin's confrontation by being even more confrontational ourselves but rather let's strive to be pragmatic and conciliatory. Thanks.
Yours for making the entirety of human knowledge available to everyone on this planet in the language (and script) they understand best, Oliver
On 04-May-15 1:07 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Our policy is one where one person can derail a decision. We have stalemats aplenty.
It is for the az.wikipedia community to decide what they want. They have an option to derail their az.wikipedia or not. Thanks, GerardM
On 3 May 2015 at 23:50, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote:
2015-05-03 23:17 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>: Hoi, It is simple. We have a policy. As a consequence of that policy we did reject a southern Azeri Wikipedia. We did so because it was included in the az.wikipedia. Now one administrator decides to force an issue by deleting articles in the Arabic script. That is not acceptable particularly not because there was no consensus for him to do so., Actually we didn't decide to reject it; the discussion simply fell asleep because of differing opinions and several unclear things. The request on Meta is still marked as open. There is no reason at all to give this silly sod what he wants. There are multiple options * they can restore the articles an the az multi script situation * they can vote to have a separate Northern ie Latn script Wikipedia When they have made their choice our policy does deny them the az,wikipedia because effectively it is a new one., Az is a macro language code so it is not available. You do know that the policy says the following? >> The language must be sufficiently unique that it could not coexist on a more general wiki. In most cases, this excludes regional dialects and different written forms of the same language. * /The degree of difference required is considered on a case-by-case basis. The committee does not consider political differences, since the Wikimedia Foundation's goal is to give every single person free, unbiased access to the sum of all human knowledge, rather than information from the viewpoint of individual political communities. <</ In my opinion, the decision must be made on the basis on mutual intellegibility between the two versions and on practicability of having two scripts in one wiki. It seems that it is not practicable here to have two scripts in one wiki, because of the two versions of the language also differ. Also, I'm sure you know that wiki renames are at the moment not possible (<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T21986>). I see no problem with creating azb, and then later when it is /at all possible,/ one can think about renaming az to azj as necessary. Thanks, GerardM On 3 May 2015 at 19:41, Michael Everson <everson@evertype.com <mailto:everson@evertype.com>> wrote: On 3 May 2015, at 07:14, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote: > I have had some more thoughts on this.. > > My proposal is to have the az.wikipedia community decide what it wants... > > Do they want a Latin only Wikipedia or not. When If. > they do, there Wikipedia will be renamed to Northern Azerbaijani and they will lose the az code. No! That’s your agenda. Leave it as it is, take the Arabic out and put it into a new Wiki. That seems to be what the users want. They haven’t said “We want to relabel the languages”. They’ve said they don’t want to mix script content. > When If. > they want to keep Arabic after all, it is no longer an option for them to deny content in a legitimate script for their language. > > When If. > we agree that this makes sense in the light of our policy, we will inform the board and give the board two weeks to express their approval. > > We will then put it to the az.wp community and it is for them to come to a decision they will have to live with. There will not be any other options considered. The options are” 1) Do nothing. Keep scripts mixed. 2) Keep az.wikipedia.org <http://az.wikipedia.org> for Latin. This is a national orthography. Add azb.wikipedia.org <http://azb.wikipedia.org> or az-arab.wikipedia.org <http://az-arab.wikipedia.org> for the Arabic-script version, which is used in Iran. 3) As 2) but deprecate az.wikipedia.org <http://az.wikipedia.org> for Latin and make them use asj.wikipedia.org <http://asj.wikipedia.org>. This is a bad idea. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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