On 3 May 2015 at 23:50, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote:

2015-05-03 23:17 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:

Hoi,

It is simple. We have a policy. As a consequence of that policy we did reject a southern Azeri Wikipedia. We did so because it was included in the az.wikipedia. Now one administrator decides to force an issue by deleting articles in the Arabic script. That is not acceptable particularly not because there was no consensus for him to do so.,

Actually we didn't decide to reject it; the discussion simply fell asleep because of differing opinions and several unclear things. The request on Meta is still marked as open.

There is no reason at all to give this silly sod what he wants. There are multiple options

they can restore the articles an the az multi script situation

they can vote to have a separate Northern ie Latn script Wikipedia

When they have made their choice our policy does deny them the az,wikipedia because effectively it is a new one., Az is a macro language code so it is not available.

You do know that the policy says the following?
>> The language must be sufficiently unique that it could not coexist on a more general wiki. In most cases, this excludes regional dialects and different written forms of the same language.

The degree of difference required is considered on a case-by-case basis. The committee does not consider political differences, since the Wikimedia Foundation's goal is to give every single person free, unbiased access to the sum of all human knowledge, rather than information from the viewpoint of individual political communities. <<

In my opinion, the decision must be made on the basis on mutual intellegibility between the two versions and on practicability of having two scripts in one wiki. It seems that it is not practicable here to have two scripts in one wiki, because of the two versions of the language also differ.

Also, I'm sure you know that wiki renames are at the moment not possible (<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T21986>). I see no problem with creating azb, and then later when it is at all possible, one can think about renaming az to azj as necessary.

Thanks,

GerardM

On 3 May 2015 at 19:41, Michael Everson <everson@evertype.com> wrote:

On 3 May 2015, at 07:14, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have had some more thoughts on this..
>
> My proposal is to have the az.wikipedia community decide what it wants...
>
> Do they want a Latin only Wikipedia or not. When

If.

> they do, there Wikipedia will be renamed to Northern Azerbaijani and they will lose the az code.

No! That’s your agenda. Leave it as it is, take the Arabic out and put it into a new Wiki. That seems to be what the users want. They haven’t said “We want to relabel the languages”. They’ve said they don’t want to mix script content.

> When

If.

> they want to keep Arabic after all, it is no longer an option for them to deny content in a legitimate script for their language.
>
> When

If.

> we agree that this makes sense in the light of our policy, we will inform the board and give the board two weeks to express their approval.
>
> We will then put it to the az.wp community and it is for them to come to a decision they will have to live with. There will not be any other options considered.

The options are”

1) Do nothing. Keep scripts mixed.

2) Keep az.wikipedia.org for Latin. This is a national orthography. Add azb.wikipedia.org or az-arab.wikipedia.org for the Arabic-script version, which is used in Iran.

3) As 2) but deprecate az.wikipedia.org for Latin and make them use asj.wikipedia.org. This is a bad idea.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

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