After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian) about Luri languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he has PhD, and he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.
On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us.
Fwiw, Oliver
On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote:
We obviously discuss 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already 3. if no, whom to contact. Then we contact people. 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>: I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such testimony? A. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote: Hoi, Reading an article does not make us an expert. Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote: Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>, you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the example differences between these languages. On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts? On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:This <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't see that. On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:Yes. On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:Hoi, A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro language. Thanks, GerardM On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote: There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet? On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:> Hoi, > Ethnologue is the maintainer of the > ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr > <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> > wrote: > > You're right, I can't trust a self > verification too, but what do you expect > me do to?, you can probably find a lot > of trustable resources on the Internet, > I my self can't even trust ethnologue, > because I found unuseful information on > it and I don't know where they come > from, at least in Wikipedia, we have > resources, I didn't expect that from you. > > > On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. >> It has never been. Again, self >> certification does not work for me.. We >> have been hurt by that before. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com >> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, >> fair enough, I didn't have any >> knowledge that there is a southern >> dialect of it and people of >> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and >> Yasuj speak that, I only knew >> Lorestan, but per English >> wikipedia, they're dialects of >> Northern Luri which this wiki is >> written in. >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard >> Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Check this out ... >>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>> >>> It rather complicates things... By >>> the way self certification is not >>> a good idea. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr >>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and >>> I know some parts of this >>> language, it is definitely >>> Luri. Mohammad Mogoei >>> (User:Mogoeilor) the most >>> active user of this project is >>> from Lorestan so definitely he >>> speaks in this language every >>> day. In Iran it's called Luri, >>> some people call it Lurish >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>> as the translation for >>> English, per this >>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>> the language should be called >>> Northern Luri, but none of it >>> dialects are called Luri, so I >>> call it Luri too. I have also >>> submitted and now accepted a >>> ticket to CLDR to support this >>> language. Other proposal of >>> dialects of this language like >>> Bakhtiari >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>> failed because of being a part >>> of this language. Also they >>> list of article I've just >>> provided are the best of them >>> as you can see there are no >>> Persian words in them. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard >>> Meijssen wrote: >>>> Hoi, >>>> Do we have confirmation that >>>> it is indeed Luri ? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Gerard >>>> >>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, >>>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I ask langcom members for >>>> approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>>> >>>> here are some top >>>> articles I could list, >>>> but there are more of them >>>> >>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>> (Colombia) >>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>> >>>> >>>> Analysis >>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>> shows that this project >>>> has enough users and most >>>> of mediawiki message >>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>> been translated. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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