I have rights to speak and give my opinion whether you like it not. You're not locals, I'm sharing my knowledge.
On 5/6/2015 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:
I would appreciate it if non-members could be reserved in throwing
around their own expertise and dismissing linguists' opinions, if they are not themselves experts in this field.
On 5/6/2015 9:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Please do not be unnecessarily negative.. Preferences are just that. Thanks, Gere
On 6 May 2015 at 17:49, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:
If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old Lurish verbs that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in Old English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language including Southern and Bakhtiari. On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue with it. II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the 10-edit-threshold [2]. III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi Moshkriz for their opinion on that? [1] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc> [2] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#distribution_201505> 2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info@oliverstegen.net <mailto:info@oliverstegen.net>>: Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us. Fwiw, Oliver On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks? A. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>> wrote: We obviously discuss 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already 3. if no, whom to contact. Then we contact people. 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>: I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such testimony? A. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote: Hoi, Reading an article does not make us an expert. Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote: Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>, you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the example differences between these languages. On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts? On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:This <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't see that. On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:Yes. On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:> Hoi, > A longstanding requirement for any and > all languages is that they have to have > an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a > language not a macro language. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr > <mjbmri@gmail.com > mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is no such thing as they are a > resources of world's languages, > people are the resources and they > only maintainer code, the unified > codes that the world uses. Is there > any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet? > > > On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard > Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the >> ISO-639-3. As such they are an >> authority. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com >> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You're right, I can't trust a >> self verification too, but what >> do you expect me do to?, you >> can probably find a lot of >> trustable resources on the >> Internet, I my self can't even >> trust ethnologue, because I >> found unuseful information on >> it and I don't know where they >> come from, at least in >> Wikipedia, we have resources, I >> didn't expect that from you. >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard >> Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Wikipedia is in this not an >>> authority. It has never been. >>> Again, self certification does >>> not work for me.. We have been >>> hurt by that before. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, >>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Alright then, that's >>> Northern Luri, fair >>> enough, I didn't have any >>> knowledge that there is a >>> southern dialect of it and >>> people of Kohgiluyeh and >>> Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj >>> speak that, I only knew >>> Lorestan, but per English >>> wikipedia, they're >>> dialects of Northern Luri >>> which this wiki is written >>> in. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, >>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> Hoi, >>>> Check this out ... >>>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>> >>>> It rather complicates >>>> things... By the way self >>>> certification is not a >>>> good idea. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>> 22:45, Mjbmr >>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes. 100%, as I live >>>> Iran and I know some >>>> parts of this >>>> language, it is >>>> definitely Luri. >>>> Mohammad Mogoei >>>> (User:Mogoeilor) the >>>> most active user of >>>> this project is from >>>> Lorestan so >>>> definitely he speaks >>>> in this language >>>> every day. In Iran >>>> it's called Luri, >>>> some people call it >>>> Lurish >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>> as the translation >>>> for English, per this >>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>>> the language should >>>> be called Northern >>>> Luri, but none of it >>>> dialects are called >>>> Luri, so I call it >>>> Luri too. I have also >>>> submitted and now >>>> accepted a ticket to >>>> CLDR to support this >>>> language. Other >>>> proposal of dialects >>>> of this language like >>>> Bakhtiari >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>> failed because of >>>> being a part of this >>>> language. Also they >>>> list of article I've >>>> just provided are the >>>> best of them as you >>>> can see there are no >>>> Persian words in them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 >>>> AM, Gerard Meijssen >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> Do we have >>>>> confirmation that it >>>>> is indeed Luri ? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Gerard >>>>> >>>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>>> 20:42, Mjbmr >>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I ask langcom >>>>> members for >>>>> approval of Luri >>>>> Wikipedia, >>>>> >>>>> here are some >>>>> top articles I >>>>> could list, but >>>>> there are more >>>>> of them >>>>> >>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>> 2. آلورت >>>>> انیشتین >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>> (Albert >>>>> Einstein) >>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>>> (Colombia) >>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>> (Mostafa >>>>> Chamran) >>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>> (List of >>>>> rulers of Elam) >>>>> 6. کارلوس >>>>> فوئنتس >>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Analysis >>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>> shows that this >>>>> project has >>>>> enough users and >>>>> most of >>>>> mediawiki >>>>> message >>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>>> been translated. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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