I have now looked through the Hindi pages on
Beta.wikiversity myself. At
first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed
that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages,
and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher
previously.
However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also
don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what
Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi
Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>om>:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is
different, it is about whether
the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for
approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby(a)gmail.com>om>:
> (Late reply, sorry.)
>
> While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I
> don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the
> creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether
> the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy
> enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the
> individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
>
> 2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> :
>
>> Hoi,
>> Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by
>> several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used?
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill <satdeepgill(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I do think that the community will improve content as the time
>>> progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
>>>
>>> But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain
>>> machine translations. Such as
>>>
>>> <http://goog_1512637911>
>>>
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8
>>> B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0%
>>> A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0%
>>> E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Satdeep Gill
>>>
>>> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29>
>>> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians>
>>> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee>
>>> Member, Language Committee
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee>
>>>
>>> On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash <0freerunning(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014
>>>> /Page_footer]
>>>> See Here.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <mmorshe2(a)illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even
>>>> localize the
>>>> > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was
being
>>>> addressed
>>>> > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an
>>>> example.
>>>> >
>>>> > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not
>>>> sure that
>>>> > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on
>>>> other
>>>> > Wikimedia projects.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash <
>>>> 0freerunning(a)gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which
I
>>>> have
>>>> >> cleaned like it [
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर
>>>> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <mmorshe2(a)illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via
>>>> Phabricator:
>>>> >> >
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern
>>>> Devanagari text
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to
>>>> >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory
"Artificial
>>>> intelligence". His
>>>> >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic
.NET/...)
>>>> bears only
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer
>>>> >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer
which is
>>>> transcluded
>>>> >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to
>>>> >> > @Jayprakash12345
>>>> >> >
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/>'s
>>>> >> userpage--maybe it
>>>> >> > is his own email address?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code
is
>>>> indeed
>>>> >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which
the
>>>> pages are
>>>> >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of
effort
>>>> to even
>>>> >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps
from
>>>> seeing the
>>>> >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content
>>>> revolving
>>>> >> > around
>>>> >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from
Jayprakash12345
>>>> being the
>>>> >> only
>>>> >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must
>>>> thus agree
>>>> >> with
>>>> >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a
disaster.
>>>> My
>>>> >> personal
>>>> >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource
and
>>>> >> hiwikiquote)
>>>> >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this
point,
>>>> but I
>>>> >> would
>>>> >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site
>>>> requests
>>>> >> > more
>>>> >> > generally here.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears
judging
>>>> from
>>>> >> >
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke
>>>> d/Category:
>>>> >> HI
>>>> >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence"
has been
>>>> deleted and
>>>> >> > 2)
>>>> >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp
>>>> >> > <justinkoavf(a)gmail.com
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> Via Phabricator (
https://phabricator.wikimedia
>>>> .org/T168765#3376166):
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the
main
>>>> category has 84
>>>> >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have
subcategories
>>>> which are
>>>> >> >> themselves empty, such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/
>>>> >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of
content,
>>>> many of
>>>> >> >> which
>>>> >> >> are just one or two lines, such as
>>>>
https://beta.wikiversity.org/
>>>> >> >>
wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free
>>>> or
>>>> >> >>
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-20
>>>> 14/पेज_फ़ुट
>>>> >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address.
Remove
>>>> categories
>>>> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490.
This
>>>> includes
>>>> >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such
as
>>>> >> >>
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot
>>>> /boot.s.
>>>> >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely
cosmetic
>>>> templates
>>>> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> pages like
>>>> >> >>
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-foo
>>>> ter.
>>>> >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that
one
>>>> person
>>>> >> >> could
>>>> >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a
live
>>>> project?
>>>> >> This
>>>> >> >> seems like a misstep.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with
500
>>>> pages in
>>>> >> five
>>>> >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either
copy-pasted
>>>> Linux code
>>>> >> >> or
>>>> >> >> one
>>>> >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a
recipe
>>>> for
>>>> >> >> disaster.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> --JAK
>>>> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously
tunneling into
>>>> that hot
>>>> >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
>>>> >> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Yours sincerely,
>>>> > Mahir Morshed
>>>> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>>>> > B.S. Computer Engineering, May 2019
>>>> >
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