I and a couple of the real developers discussed the
various issues and proposed techniques for improving the capitalisation of Wiki titles as requested by the various "factions" (: including what non-English Wiktionaries or at least some of their vocal users would like.
I have already experimented with the codebase to come at this problem in various ways, and Jamesday posted a summary of what we talked about on IRC at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/case-sensitivity_vote
We would like to hear feedback and clarifications from everybody with your various viewpoints in this talk page please.
Andrew Dunbar (hippietrail)
I am happy to read that things have been discussed with the developpers. However, I find it hard to find what is discussed as the link that is referred to is an already old thread on en:wiktionary. As a consequence it is not clear and obvious what has been discussed.
An other problem is that as this is not an en:wiktionary only issue, meta would be a more obvious choise to host this discussion.
To me, there are two issues. *Having correct content, this can be better assured without capitalisation of the first character. *How to find stuff, this may mean that the search may have to be blind for capitalisation.
I think the second option would be a nice to have while the first is a must have. I am convinced there are errors in nl:wiktionary because I just do not see the difference between some capital and undercase letters, the difference does not register. I can live with the second coming life after the first.
Thanks. Gerard
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:47:07 +0200, Gerard Meijssen gerardm@myrealbox.com wrote:
I think the second option would be a nice to have while the first is a must have. I am convinced there are errors in nl:wiktionary because I just do not see the difference between some capital and undercase letters, the difference does not register. I can live with the second coming life after the first.
What kind of fonts are you using that use the same glyphs for majuscules and minuscules?
*Muke!
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
I am happy to read that things have been discussed with the developpers. However, I find it hard to find what is discussed as the link that is referred to is an already old thread on en:wiktionary. As a consequence it is not clear and obvious what has been discussed.
Agreed, but we're all responsible for that, myself included. The right thing for me to do would be to refactor my own old comments into my new ones. :-)
An other problem is that as this is not an en:wiktionary only issue, meta would be a more obvious choise to host this discussion.
Not really. Many of us who are interested in the Wiktionaries may not check into Meta that often. I would because I'm familiar with the issue, but I guarantee that there will be some who will complain that they were not warned about the change. Although I passively support the change on the other languages my vote there would mean as much as the votes by IP numbers that now appear in English. It comes down to a matter of process. In what languages would the knowledgeable people generally oppose this? Probably the only languages where this might not be such a big issue are those that do not use capitals in the first place,
To me, there are two issues. *Having correct content, this can be better assured without capitalisation of the first character. *How to find stuff, this may mean that the search may have to be blind for capitalisation.
I think the second option would be a nice to have while the first is a must have. I am convinced there are errors in nl:wiktionary because I just do not see the difference between some capital and undercase letters, the difference does not register. I can live with the second coming life after the first.
I find it hard to conceive how the first would work effectively, without the second being in place.
Ec
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