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Per the announcement I put in the sitenotice last month, I have locked
the Klingon-language Wiktionary, http://tlh.wiktionary.org/
As far as I know there was never any deliberate intention to have such a
site (it would have been automatically created alongside the Klingon
Wikipedia), and it was forgotten when the Klingon Wikipedia was closed.
As soon as I was notified of its existence I put up the notice that it
would not stay, so anyone working on it would be aware.
The only response I got to my notice was this very rude message, which
was hidden away where I never saw it until today:
http://tlh.wiktionary.org/wiki/lo%27wI%27_ja%27chuq:Brion_VIBBER
It seems pretty clear to me that the site doesn't serve any legitimate
purpose to Wikimedia's mission; while it may be _fun_ it would be better
hosted somewhere else, perhaps whereever the Klingon Wikipedia ended up?
If there's some legitimate reason to reopen it, let me know. We could
hand the question off to the Language Committee if desired.
- -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)
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Bonjour,
Des critiques sont régulièrement faites aux Wikipédiens et à Wikimédia
France à propos du traitement inégal entre Wikipédia et les autres projets
francophones, à savoir Wiktionary, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikiquote,
Wikisource et Wikiversity. J'aimerais éclaircir un peu les choses.
1. Wikipédia est célèbre, les autres projets pas.
C'est un constat, pas un point de vue. Wikipédia est le 10e site le plus
visité en France. Wikipédia est cité dans la presse écrite, des émissions
lui sont consacrées à la radio et on en parle à la télévision. Pourquoi ?
Parce que le projet intéresse, soulève des questions. Et surtout, parce que
le sujet est polémique et qu'il fait vendre. Une candidate socialiste
invente un mot qui se retrouve dans l'encyclopédie ? Un /College/ américain
interdit à ses étudiants la citation de Wikipédia comme source ? Un hoax à
propos de la mort d'un acteur américain has-been circule grâce à Wikipédia ?
C'est de l'événementiel. Ça intéresse la ménagère de moins de 50 ans. Ça
fait vendre. Ça intéresse les journalistes.
2. Wikipédia aussi a du mal à communiquer sur les sujets qui l'intéressent.
Lorsque l'on souhaite communiquer à propos de Wikipédia sur la difficulté de
trouver des images libres, sur la loi DADVSI, sur Gallica qui est peu
coopérative, sur un projet de loi sur la délinquance qui interdit à un
reporter non professionnel de filmer des violences policières, vous croyez
qu'on arrive à se faire entendre ? Ce qui intéresse les journalistes, c'est
le comité éditorial (qui n'existe pas), le comité d'arbitrage (qui n'est pas
le comité éditorial, non) et les administrateurs (qui ne sont pas non plus
le comité éditorial, non...). Ils veulent savoir si (non, pardon, il veulent
savoir « que ») « Wikipédia va manger Google » et que « le cofondateur de
Wikipédia lance une encyclopédie validée et sécurisée. » Le jour où on a une
affaire Seigenthaler sur Wikibooks, je vous assure que la presse parlera du
projet...
3. Wikimédia France promeut tous les projets.
Wikimédia France a pour mission de faire connaître et de soutenir les
projets de diffusion libre de la connaissance, notamment les projets
hébergés par la Wikimedia Foundation. Et c'est ce qu'elle fait du mieux
qu'elle peut. La liste des présentations faites par les membres de
l'association témoigne d'un engagement qui ne concerne pas uniquement
Wikipédia : < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Presentations/fr> L'association
profite des interviews pour tenter de parler des autres projets, mais (cf
1.) ça n'intéresse pas les journalistes. J'aimerais toutefois que les
efforts faits par les membres pour promouvoir tous les projets soient
reconnus.
4. Une association est le reflet de ses membres.
Et la majorité des membres de Wikimédia France sont des Wikipédiens. Si vous
estimez que les efforts qui sont faits pour promouvoir les autres projets ne
sont pas encore suffisants, je vous invite vraiment à adhérer à
l'association pour dynamiser la promotion du projet qui vous tient à cœur.
Nous serons ravis de vous y aider. Par contre, refuser de s'impliquer et
critiquer a posteriori, je suis pas d'accord. Quand on décide de ne pas
participer à quelque chose, on assume son choix et on ne vient pas se
plaindre ensuite que c'est mal fait.
5. « Engagez-vous ! »
Si vous avez des idées, des suggestions, des projets pour faire connaître et
soutenir les projets francophones, contactez l'association Wikimédia France
(par exemple sur sa liste de discussion <
http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediafr-l>) qui sera ravie
de vous apporter son aide.
--
Guillaume Paumier
[[m:User:guillom]]
http://www.wikimedia.org
We have just launched http://planet.wikimedia.org/ , which is an
aggregator for all on-topic wiki-related weblog (blog) posts by
participants in Wikimedia projects. The planet can be found at:
http://planet.wikimedia.org/
To get added, please follow the instructions at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet_Wikimedia
This is a kind of beta test, and right now, the planet is in the
English language; however, I have prepared a process for requesting
new languages to be set up here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet_Wikimedia/New_language
So please add your support if you wish to aggregate blog posts in
another language.
Again, this is for on-topic posts, not for diary entries. All feeds
must either point to a blog which is almost exclusively about wikis,
or filtered (WordPress, Blogger and other common blog engines all
support filtered feeds by categorizing your posts, e.g., adding the
"wiki" category to all posts which you want to be included in the
planet). If this makes you feel uncomfortable, you can (in addition or
in substitution) add your blog to http://wikiblogplanet.com/ , which
does not filter posts for on-topicness. WikiBlogPlanet is run
independently by Nick Jenkins.
I hope that this new tool will allow us to share useful and
interesting information, as well as opinions, more effectively across
project boundaries.
--
Peace & Love,
Erik
DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of
the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees.
"An old, rigid civilization is reluctantly dying. Something new, open,
free and exciting is waking up." -- Ming the Mechanic
I am forwarding to you the first (not complete) version of the page
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Millosh/Dictionaries .
At the end of this month I'll have some software for such generation
of dictionaries. So, it would be good to hear what do you think about
that and is there someone interested to join this project. Maybe
Gerard may think how to implement such thing in the OmegaWiki, too :)
The page is not completed (stages 2 and 3 are not described), but I
think that you may follow my idea anyway. I'll complete the page in
the next few weeks and I'll inform you about that.
* * *
In this moment I am working on one Serbian dictionary of synonyms.
During that work I got some ideas about the work on Wiktionaries:
Let's say what one word with synonyms/translations is enough for one
word in Wiktionary. (Maybe I should read some Wiktionary
documentation, but I suppose that this is the minimum.)
In short, this may be done for a dozens of languages on a dozens of
Wiktionaries.
==Stage 1, one language dictionary==
*Take some dictionary between English (or whatever language) and your
language. Of course, take it in machine readable format (not
encrypted).
*Take the first word in (let's say) English.
*Take the first translation in your language. Connect this word in
your language with other translations of the word in English.
*Find which words in English have the same translation. Connect the
word with other translations in those words.
*You will get the list of connected words. There will be a lot of
mass, but you will be able to make some simple methods for cleaning
the most of the mass. The rest of the mass will be cleaned by humans
because this is a wiki :)
*Of course, you may do that with a lot of different dictionaries...
Imagine that we analyzed two words from language A in the dictionary
"language B -> language A" and that we got the next results (of
course, this is simplified table):
<pre>
A58 - B65 - A58, A43, A21, A63
- B69 - A58, A28, A21, A38
- B71 - A58, A43, A21, A88
- B89 - A58, A43, A21, A63
A21 - B31 - A21, A43, A76, A20
- B44 - A21, A43, A39, A22
- B65 - A58, A43, A21, A63
- B69 - A58, A28, A21, A38
- B71 - A58, A43, A21, A88
- B89 - A58, A43, A21, A63
</pre>
We may say that if one word from the language A has the same meaning
as the word A58 in the language B, this connection will get one point.
So, we will have the next situation according to the words A58 and
A21:
<pre>
A58(A21) = 4
A58(A43) = 3
A58(A63) = 2
A58(A28) = 1
A58(A38) = 1
A58(A88) = 1
A21(A43) = 5
A21(A58) = 4
A21(A63) = 2
A21(A28) = 1
A21(A38) = 1
A21(A88) = 1
A21(A76) = 1
A21(A39) = 1
A21(A20) = 1
A21(A22) = 1
</pre>
For the beginning, this may mean:
*The closest synonyms to the word A58 is the word A21.
*The closest synonyms to the word A21 is the word A43.
*Words A21, A58, A43 and A63 are synonyms (which we may call "G(As)1").
*It seems that words A28, A38, A88, A76, A39, A20 and A22 are not
related with the group G(As)1. However, we will put the connections in
the memory, but we will not write it into the dictionary. Imagine that
the word ''blood'' literary means in some language "red bird". Of
course, there are some ''red birds'' in the area where that language
is spoken. So, in this sense, blood will be connected with the word
"bird" and, almost for sure, with some specie of birds. However, this
will be the only connection to the birds. Other connections will be
inside of the descriptions for erythrocyte, lymphocyte, heart and so
on. Of course, mistakes are possible, but we may analyze results :)
*This may be very useful for smaller languages which have some two
language dictionaries (where the language B is English). We may be
able to generate one language Wiktionaries for all of such languages.
==Stage 2, two languages dictionary==
(To be continued.)
==Stage 3, cross language dictionaries==
(To be continued.)
Hello,
[[m:Logo]] claims logo should be consistent. I agree.
This document shows us the "scrabble" type logo as Wiktionary logo; at
least it was a result of straw poll. I am not sure if the Wiktionary
active editors love it. Perhaps not.
On the Wikimedia Foundation website, on "Our projects" table and
[[Wikimedia:Our projects]], both pages show visitors the old one (dic
entry type) logo as project logo.
On the project itself, most of projects - I visited top 10 websites of
Wiktionaries to write this mail - most of projects use the older one
as their logos, except one. The Vietnamese Wiktionary uses the
scrabble type.
We need to pursue consistency here? Or is it okay for all parties involved?
I think it is a matter of promotion/publification, not only the
community, so sent a cc to Communication committee (before I failed to
type the current email address of this list) .
Two different logos:
"scrabble type"
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wiktprintable_without_text.svg
"dic entry type"
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wiktionary.png
--
KIZU Naoko
Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
* habent enim emolumentum in labore suo *
Wikimania, Wikimedia's annual global conference for the community, has
today released its call for participation.
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Particpation
We will shortly be accepting submissions for presentations, panels,
discussions, posters, and more. I would like to encourage all
community members to make a submission. Wikimania is the wiki
conference aimed at the Wikimedia community, so it's essential that
you are represented here. If there is something interesting about your
wiki that you want to share with 400 Wikimedians in Taipei this
summer, please respond to this call for participation.
We are also looking for volunteers to review the submissions made and
help us to choose what will be presented at Wikimania. Depending on
what you would like to review, please contact one of the following
people to let them know you would like to help.
Wikimedia Communities presentations: Angela Beesley:
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Angela
Free Content presentations: Phoebe Ayers:
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Brassratgirl
Technical infrastructure presentations: James Forrester:
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jdforrester
Posters and Panels (all themes): Jakob Voss:
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:JakobVoss
Artistic artifacts, Workshops, and Birds-of-a-Feather (all themes):
TzuChiang Liou:
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:TzuChiang_Liou
Angela Beesley
