Ray Saintonge wrote:

Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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I am happy to read that things have been discussed with the developpers. However, I find it hard to find what is discussed as the link that is referred to is an already old thread on en:wiktionary. As a consequence it is not clear and obvious what has been discussed.

Agreed, but we're all responsible for that, myself included. The right thing for me to do would be to refactor my own old comments into my new ones. :-)

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An other problem is that as this is not an en:wiktionary only issue, meta would be a more obvious choise to host this discussion.

Not really. Many of us who are interested in the Wiktionaries may not check into Meta that often. I would because I'm familiar with the issue, but I guarantee that there will be some who will complain that they were not warned about the change. Although I passively support the change on the other languages my vote there would mean as much as the votes by IP numbers that now appear in English. It comes down to a matter of process. In what languages would the knowledgeable people generally oppose this? Probably the only languages where this might not be such a big issue are those that do not use capitals in the first place,

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To me, there are two issues. *Having correct content, this can be better assured without capitalisation of the first character. *How to find stuff, this may mean that the search may have to be blind for capitalisation.

I think the second option would be a nice to have while the first is a must have. I am convinced there are errors in nl:wiktionary because I just do not see the difference between some capital and undercase letters, the difference does not register. I can live with the second coming life after the first.

I find it hard to conceive how the first would work effectively, without the second being in place.

Ec

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The argument against hosting the discussion on meta is equally valid against hosting the discussion on en:wiktionary. People who are at home in another wiktionary and who are intrested in this discussion may not check into en:wiktionary that often. This list is the multi:wiktionary list by its definition and may therefore reach other wiktionaries. Meta is also by design available to host multi:wiktionary discussions. There is no reason not to have a login on Meta, just create your own with your own nick.

As to how having the first without the second would work? In the nl:wiktionary typically people speak Dutch and know the Dutch spelling. Most words created in another language are created from the translations of a Dutch word. Therefore when Capitalisation is off, many words may go awol. However they can be found. There will be some problems in getting things to work again properly, that is just tough. That can be handled. All this work needs to be done anyway in any scenario.

When a better search becomes available the search for users will become easier, till that time we will have better information.

My main concern is that the information is correct. With forced capitalisation is not. As to democracy when asked on nl:wiktionary, there were no dissenting voices.

Thanks, Gerard