>I and a couple of the real developers discussed the
>various issues and proposed techniques for improving
>the capitalisation of Wiki titles as requested by the
>various "factions" (: including what non-English
>Wiktionaries or at least some of their vocal users
>I have already experimented with the codebase to come
>at this problem in various ways, and Jamesday posted a
>summary of what we talked about on IRC at
>We would like to hear feedback and clarifications
>from everybody with your various viewpoints in this
>talk page please.
>Andrew Dunbar (hippietrail)
I am happy to read that things have been discussed with the developpers.
However, I find it hard to find what is discussed as the link that is
referred to is an already old thread on en:wiktionary. As a consequence
it is not clear and obvious what has been discussed.
An other problem is that as this is not an en:wiktionary only issue,
meta would be a more obvious choise to host this discussion.
To me, there are two issues.
*Having correct content, this can be better assured without
capitalisation of the first character.
*How to find stuff, this may mean that the search may have to be blind
I think the second option would be a nice to have while the first is a
must have. I am convinced there are errors in nl:wiktionary because I
just do not see the difference between some capital and undercase
letters, the difference does not register. I can live with the second
coming life after the first.
I have a 8878 big botanical glossary that I want to add to the wiktionary. I already have asked Andre Engels to help me out with preparing the upload and helping me out with doing things more easily aided by programs.
However some words are capitalised and some are not as they should be. I do not want to upload all these words before the capitalisation has been turned off for nl:wiktionary. It is just to much work to have it corrected at a later date.
At this moment the slim majority that prevents en:wiktionary to forego first letter capitalisation are some IP-numbers that have it for the Nayes. This "democratic" process prevents both nl:wiktionary and de:wiktionary from having the requested capitalisation turned off. In the discussions on en: it is stated that each project has the choise to decide on this issue. This is however not the case as the programmers want to have all wiktionaries the same way.
In order to have some more discussion on the subject, I send this message both to the wiktionary and wikitech list. I also send it to Jimbo Wales as he does not monitor the wiktionary list afaik. (I spoke with him on sunday..). Please, let us discuss this issue. The nl:wiktionary is on 3123 words, we will already have a big job to get things working again after the transfer. With time this will only increase and again, I will not upload the glossary and have to do these eventually as well.
*How are we goint to resolve this issue?
*How can we turn capitalisation off, preferably in a fased way?
*Are there ways to help out with programs?
*How long are we going to discuss this issue before coming to a workable decision. NB not only for the wiktionaries but also the system maintenance?
On the English wiktionary there has been a longstanding issue with
people not wanting to change en:wiktionary so that articles can start
with a lowercase letter. As the nl:wiktionary has more words in other
languages than in Nederlands, we found that the capitalisation works not
only for Roman characters but also for Cyrilic characters and maybe others
This makes the way we have tried to maintain the capitalisation really
akward. It is a good enough reason for us not to want the capitalisation
anymore. Could someone please turn this function off for us?
Since the conversion to UTF-8 the nl:wiktionary (or WikiWoordenboek) had a big growth spurt. Fittingly the 2500th word is לשון־קודש (UTF-8 was needed to create the word).
We have many words in many languages for many languages..