Dear All,
We would like to open a Wiktionary for the Amis language. Amis is an
Austronesian language used by the Amis -- one of the Austronesian
people in Taiwan. The Amis account for about one third of Taiwan's
indigenous population (i.e. 130 thousand), however, many of the younger
generation do not speak the language and till now there is still no
exact ststistic report of the number of real speakers.
There are two prevailing writing systems of this language: the
Presbyterian Church system and the International Phonetic Symbol
system, the later is used only within the academic circle. We would
like to edit a Wiktionary which basically employs the Presbyterian
Church system but also notes the IPS so that readers can also know the
exact pronounciations.
At this moment there are at least three people who are willing to
commit to this project. They are Nakao Eki, Afah Lisin, and Tai-ni
Tsou. The former two are native speakers and the later two as
ethnographers are also familiar with the academic Amis writing system.
Pektiong Tan (zh-min-nan:pektiong) will help those people to get
familiar with the wikipedia system.
We would prefer to set the default interface language to be Mandarin
with traditional character used in Taiwan (zh-tw) since most of the
potential user of this wiktionary can read Mandarin with traditional
character.
Proposed domain name:
http://amis.wiktionary.org/
Language tag for Amis:
ISO 639-2: N.A.
ISO 639-3 (Draft): Ami
SIL: ALV
RFC-3066: i-ami
Sincerely,
Nakao Eki,
Afah Lisin,
Tai-ni Tsou,
Pektiong Tan
Some info about Taiwanese aborigine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_aborigine
Stefan Jensen wrote:
>Good morning Sabine and everybody,
>Great to see more people joining into the communication. I am not a frequent user of the Wicki discussion tools which Gerhard proposes to use for this but I'll try to move things over to there. (And I see Bernard is already using it).
>
Dear Stefan,
really nice to "cybermeet" ;o) you and the others in this Wiki/EEA ring...
The merit or the blame - you'll see later... - is to be put on that
German Vesuvio ;o) who's definitely SabiNet...
We recently got in touch in a list of discussion - LANGIT - I quitted
very fast, for some reasons, after launching a project, RL - RAPTVS
LINGVÆ, which she was the only replier to.
As soon as Sabine has got some time to explain to me where and how to
effectively start to work in/for Wiki world with the support of EEA
(even if at present I'm already doing/studying really several things,
and would need paid work, I'll be glad to play actually my part, also
owing to its being a good reference on the whole and it will let me learn.
My mother tongue is Italian, which I studied also at the university;
moreover I worked as a professional proofreader and editor for ten years
and am an author.
As for Chinese at least - I can't assure you nothing - but I'm in high
touch with some Chinese linguists (two women) who know English and are
interested in Italian too. They have a sort of translation agency on the
net and I created and moderate an Itlaian subforum on their Chinese
website.
Enough & maybe too much?, for the time being...
ALBatro.
Carme diem,
ALBatro.
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Hoi,
When we indicate languages in interwiki links, we write the names of
those languages as it is written in that language. So we get English,
Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語 etc. I think it is a nice feature.
Some languages however are not written as they are written in that
language, think italiano, français or sicilianu. Basically, this is
wrong. The only reason I can think of why you want this, is for
"esthetic" reasons. These however take not into account the
sensibilities that are often associated with language names.
Thanks,
GerardM
Erik Moeller wrote:.
> ..... Aside from that, I am still skeptical that Wiktionary is at all
> feasible with the current software ....
This is as they say in Holland "een schot voor open doel"; on
opportunity to good to miss.
You may know that I am advocating the spend of money and energy to
produce "the ultimate wiktionary" (see the article on Meta) in essence
this is a relational database embedded in mediawiki that serves us with
wiktionary content. One database to serve us all ....
At this moment we are starting to use some bots in earnest. One bot
doing the interwiki.py (see the article on Meta) is running now for its
fourth day on the en:wiktionary and reached the word "Effort". It is
doing something that will be a funcionality of the proposed database.
Another bot is running on scn:wiktionary adding a word a minute, it has
something like 60.000 words and giving the ambitions of all wiktionaries
it should run on all wiktionaries. When it was adding content into the
"ultimate wiktionary" it would need to run only once. I have a file with
19.930 words that I can use to create articles for many wiktionaries. It
is a multiple of articles that are needed to seed all the different
wiktionaries and, it can be done but it just takes a LOONGGG time and it
is not really good because as content is added, the work done by the
interwiki.py should be done again as it may lead to different results.
Another big blob of content waiting to happen is the GEMET thesaurus
(see article on Me*ta) and the European multilingual thesaurus on health
promotion (see article on Meta).
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_multilingual_thesaurus_on_health_pr…>*
So, Eric is right where he says that working on our current wiktionary
using the current software is a debatable practice. It is as good as it
gets though. Luckily we do have this idea of something better. This is
what makes us go on, (this is the moment where you hear the song
"somewhere over the rainbow" with conotations of a pot of gold).. :)
Thanks,
GerardM
Hoi,
Sorry to bother you with this; many wikimedians use skype for Voice over
IP (internet telephony) it is great software. It is really cool to be
able to speak to someone in Australia and it costing nothing. Anyway,
there is a new version for both the Macintosh and the Windows platform.
The quality of service has improved.
If you already use skype, look under help and check if there is a newer
version.
If you do not have skype, give it a spin. It is cool.
Thanks,
GerardM
skype: gerardmeijssen
Hoi,
Following the great example of wikipedia, wiktionary now knows a portal
too. It can already be found on www.wiktionary.org and I have asked Tim
Starling if he would be so kind to change wiktioanry.org as well.
So we are now all in a scramble to go to the next level so that the
visibility of "our" wiktionary will be a bit better ?? I hope that we
will continue to have fun and be pleased that the international
character of wiktionary is better shown.
Hoi,
For wikipedia they changed www.wikipedia.org to become a portal to show
that wikipedia is a project in many languages. This is to show that
wikipedia is not only English as many people think. The same is true for
the wiktionary; there are many wiktionaries and, in the same manner as
we have with wikipedia I propose to have wiktionary.org point to the
page that can be found on META
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wiktionary.org_portal
It took the wikipedia crowd two years to get to the point and change
things. I expect that people will have the same arguments why they think
wiktionary means en:wiktionary. However, wiktionary is much less known
than wikipedia and, the other wiktionaries like pl: with over 28.000+
and gl: with 11.000+ prove that en: with 52.000+ is not the only kid on
the block.There are also 9 others in between 1.000+ and 10.000- who
emphasize the point.
So I hope that we can agree to have a similar portal for wiktionary as
we have for wikipedia.
Thanks,
GerardM
Now that Wiktionary 1.4 is settling in, thought I would bring up an
issue thats been on the en:Beer parlor for a while, which may benefit
from some ideas from other wikt's. Plus it would take a sysop,
{{sofixit}} isn't an option ;)
Here it is:
Its fairly common that we find copyright infringing articles. I
hypothesize this is not someone trying to poison Wiktionary, but is
due to ignorance. If you are like me, you've read it once and then
forget that it says the following at the buttom of every edit page:
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied
it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT
COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!
Really I think this assumes the reader understands copyright as well
as understands what folks in the Free Software movement consider to be
'free'. I mean, dictionary.com is free as in beer, but it isn't
'similar free' which is kind of expecting a bit from Joe User. The
paragraph previous to that already gets the legal crap over with by
stating you are releasing under the GFDL, I don't think we need to
cover every case. It should talk to the anonymous junior high student
who sees noctilucent doesn't have a definition. I'm not claiming to be
a great wordsmith, but here is a try:
All definitions must be written by yourself or borrowed from a
public domain resource. Do not use content from copyrighted resources
such as dictionary.com.
I think dictionary.com is the biggest culprit, so naming it
specifically will be helpful. Also its a good example of what a
copyrighted resource is. We could also throw on something nice to it,
like 'we want to know what you think' or 'we apperciate your input'.
I'm not sure how to put it. Just to be nice and to reiterate the
'your'.
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There wasn't any further discussion of it, though Eclecticology stated
his belief in their being legal gray area around copyrights on
dictionaries.
Any ideas?
Pages with Greek titles, that used to exist and are still listed in
[[special:allpages]], are coming up empty on load, and the wiki is marking
links to them as red.
I have seen this happening on la: and more intermittently on en: --
is this happening anywhere else, and is there a cause for it?
*Muke!
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