The Wikipedia entry for "Bloody Sunday" contains reference to "Bloody Sunday - Northern Ireland," 30 January 1972, but not Ireland's earlier "Bloody Sunday" of 20 November 1920.
While true that "Bloody Sunday" of 1972 is distinguished by having occurred in *Northern* Ireland, standard practice in indexing books of Irish history is to distinguish by year.
Without alteration of titles, one ends with entries perhaps:
"Bloody Sunday - Northern Ireland" "Bloody Sunday - Ireland - 1920"
Which seems less optimal toward disambiguation than:
"Bloody Sunday - Ireland - 1920" "Bloody Sunday - Ireland - 1972"
So, I'm new here. How does one resolve such circumstance?
On 29 Aug 2002, I wrote:
not Ireland's earlier "Bloody Sunday" of 20 November 1920.
Typo: 21 November 1920.
Tesla Coil wrote:
The Wikipedia entry for "Bloody Sunday" contains reference to "Bloody Sunday - Northern Ireland," 30 January 1972, but not Ireland's earlier "Bloody Sunday" of 20 November 1920.
While true that "Bloody Sunday" of 1972 is distinguished by having occurred in *Northern* Ireland, standard practice in indexing books of Irish history is to distinguish by year.
Without alteration of titles, one ends with entries perhaps:
"Bloody Sunday - Northern Ireland" "Bloody Sunday - Ireland - 1920"
Which seems less optimal toward disambiguation than:
"Bloody Sunday - Ireland - 1920" "Bloody Sunday - Ireland - 1972"
So, I'm new here. How does one resolve such circumstance?
Even for those of us who are a little more practised in the art of disambiguation, there are always new issues to present challenges. I note that there were several othe Bloody Sundays in other places. The Irish cannot maintain a monopoly on such events.
There are two separate issues involved: disambiguating agent and format. The latter I raise because of your being new. Had the disambiguator been otherwise been propertly chosen the current preferred format would be [[Bloody Sunday (Northern Ireland)]] but the article appears to have been started before that was the practice. Your approach is a sound one but should be in the format [[Bloody Sunday (Ireland 1920)]] and [[Bloody Sunday (Ireland 1972)]]. There is always the risk that this approach to the 1972 massacre could be seen as supporting a united Ireland. If you see that as a realistic fear than I would suggest using the city names for the events [[Bloody Sunday (Dublin)]] and [[Bloody Sunday (Derry)]]. Nobody can argue that these town aren't where they are.
On 29 Aug 2002, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Your approach is a sound one but should be in the format [[Bloody Sunday (Ireland 1920)]] and [[Bloody Sunday (Ireland 1972)]]. There is always the risk that this approach to the 1972 massacre could be seen as supporting a united Ireland. If you see that as a realistic fear than I would suggest using the city names for the events [[Bloody Sunday (Dublin)]] and [[Bloody Sunday (Derry)]]. Nobody can argue that these town aren't where they are.
Thanks. Taking cue from survey of library subject headings, I chose [[Bloody Sunday (Ireland 1920)]] and [[Bloody Sunday (Northern Ireland 1972)]].
I'll defer writing the [[Bloody Sunday (Ireland 1920)]] entry however, as multiple sources I've consulted so far are in no agreement regarding the number of causalties on *either* side.
I prefer to focus instead on 18th Century Irish history, when times were less contentious.
Okay, they weren't, but that's my excuse for now.
I believe [[Bloody Sunday - Northern Ireland]] now a redirect to which no page points.
Tesla Coil wrote:
I believe [[Bloody Sunday - Northern Ireland]] now a redirect to which no page points.
Not really! If you go to that page your change will redirect you to your new page. Thay you have been redirected will now appear under the new page title. Clicking there lets the system know that you really do want the old page. The only text on the page will be your redirect.
Now in the side bar click on "What links here" and (as of this moment) three links appear.
Now click the "back" button until you are again at [[Bloody Sunday (Northern Ireland 1972)]], and click again on "What links here". Voilà! There they are both the direct and the indirect links.
Eclecticology
On 31 Aug 2002, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I believe [[Bloody Sunday - Northern Ireland]] now a redirect to which no page points.
Not really! If you go to that page your change will redirect you to your new page. Thay you have been redirected will now appear under the new page title. Clicking there lets the system know that you really do want the old page. The only text on the page will be your redirect.
Now in the side bar click on "What links here" and (as of this moment) three links appear.
Now click the "back" button until you are again at [[Bloody Sunday (Northern Ireland 1972)]], and click again on "What links here". Voilà! There they are both the direct and the indirect links.
*blush* Okay, fixed that, FWIW.
There's brief discussion in "Village Pump" questioning the usefulness of bypassing redirects, but on previous view of "Recent Changes" I've noticed several removals of redirects to which no pages point. Aside from question of whether it's necessary and good in a given instance, how does it tend to come to administrative attention? Is there some kinda automagic flag raised back there, just happenstance, or what?
Tesla Coil wrote:
There's brief discussion in "Village Pump" questioning the usefulness of bypassing redirects, but on previous view of "Recent Changes" I've noticed several removals of redirects to which no pages point. Aside from question of whether it's necessary and good in a given instance, how does it tend to come to administrative attention? Is there some kinda automagic flag raised back there, just happenstance, or what?
There is a page that lists "orphans" to which no other page points. Some of us try to keep this list thinned down so it is easier to spot useful articles to link to from areas of personal interest.
There may be other mechanisms as well.
regards, Mike Irwin
Tesla Coil wrote:
The Wikipedia entry for "Bloody Sunday"
One more advice to you as a newbie: If you agree with me ... just do it.
Eclecticology
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