Well seeing this ongoing and never ending thread the other day I sent some e-mails to people living in Zlatibor asking for help.
This is the first answer I got. I hope others will follow. (see below)
This answer comes from the public library. Please note that I deleted the e-mail address since I do not know if they would agree to give it out.
Well: whoever wants the Zlatiborian Wikipedia can work the same way: contact people, collect literature and whatever can testimony the "existance" of that language, create your project on a private website for now. It could well be that it is a dialect spoken by only a few people, just like the people of a little town near Rodach in Germany who speak a very different "dialect" that almost cannot be understood by neighbouring towns. If this is the case there must be documents: get these out on the web and work on that. If you really want it and it is a "reality" you must work on getting documents out, even official ones - no-one says it is easy, but you cannot expect people to support your project if there is no proof that this language really exists.
And please: unless you cannot proof the existance consider your project a very personal one and do not expect people to jump on each train that is around ...
If you need help, I mean real help on strategies, ideas and whatsoever: you can of course contact me.
I'll send other eventual answers to this list.
Best wishes,
Sabine
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Zlatiborian Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:35:46 +0100 From: radionicaKRUG To: Sabine Cretella s.cretella@wordsandmore.it References: 43746CE2.40105@wordsandmore.it
Dear Sabine, is no Zlatiborian language, language is serbian.
Regards, Aleksandra
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabine Cretella" s.cretella@wordsandmore.it To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Zlatiborian
Dear Sirs,
my name is Sabine Cretella, an admin of the Neapolitan Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia on the internet available in many languages http://wikipedia.org.
Now there was a request to open a Wikipedia in Zlatiborian language and there are some supporters and many opposers saying that there is no Zlatiborian language. Now being a public library I suppose you can help me with that matter and tell me if this language really exists - I don't find information on the internet.
And if it exists, could you please help me out with some contacts of people caring about that language? Institutions or whatsoever?
I really hope you can help me to clarify this point. Wikipedia aims to protect minority languages so if Zlatiborian is one: it makes sense to me to help these people.
I hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes,
Sabine Cretella s.cretella@wordsandmore.it skype: sabinecretella
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As Zlatiborian speech is almost the same as Serbian Iyekavian standard, when we finish some software issues, it would be the first dialect version on Serbian Wikipedia (we would have four standard versions and the fifth "dialectic" where people would be able to choose their own dialect if it exists). In this group we would be able to add any Neo-Shtokavian dialect/speech which has some kind of formal description ("this word instead of that", "this suffix instad of that" etc.).
Maybe this idea can be interesting to you? :) (For Italian linguistic area, of course.)
BTW, I also asked some Zlatiborians because I left possibility that I am not well introduced. All of them were laughing to me :)
On 11/14/05, Sabine Cretella sabine_cretella@yahoo.it wrote:
Well seeing this ongoing and never ending thread the other day I sent some e-mails to people living in Zlatibor asking for help.
This is the first answer I got. I hope others will follow. (see below)
This answer comes from the public library. Please note that I deleted the e-mail address since I do not know if they would agree to give it out.
Well: whoever wants the Zlatiborian Wikipedia can work the same way: contact people, collect literature and whatever can testimony the "existance" of that language, create your project on a private website for now. It could well be that it is a dialect spoken by only a few people, just like the people of a little town near Rodach in Germany who speak a very different "dialect" that almost cannot be understood by neighbouring towns. If this is the case there must be documents: get these out on the web and work on that. If you really want it and it is a "reality" you must work on getting documents out, even official ones - no-one says it is easy, but you cannot expect people to support your project if there is no proof that this language really exists.
And please: unless you cannot proof the existance consider your project a very personal one and do not expect people to jump on each train that is around ...
If you need help, I mean real help on strategies, ideas and whatsoever: you can of course contact me.
I'll send other eventual answers to this list.
Best wishes,
Sabine
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Zlatiborian Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:35:46 +0100 From: radionicaKRUG To: Sabine Cretella s.cretella@wordsandmore.it References: 43746CE2.40105@wordsandmore.it
Dear Sabine, is no Zlatiborian language, language is serbian.
Regards, Aleksandra
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabine Cretella" s.cretella@wordsandmore.it To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Zlatiborian
Dear Sirs,
my name is Sabine Cretella, an admin of the Neapolitan Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia on the internet available in many languages http://wikipedia.org.
Now there was a request to open a Wikipedia in Zlatiborian language and there are some supporters and many opposers saying that there is no Zlatiborian language. Now being a public library I suppose you can help me with that matter and tell me if this language really exists - I don't find information on the internet.
And if it exists, could you please help me out with some contacts of people caring about that language? Institutions or whatsoever?
I really hope you can help me to clarify this point. Wikipedia aims to protect minority languages so if Zlatiborian is one: it makes sense to me to help these people.
I hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes,
Sabine Cretella s.cretella@wordsandmore.it skype: sabinecretella
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