---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com Date: 20-Jun-2005 01:38 Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Requests page To: Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com
Simple German failed? I saw an awful lot of support, and it was definitely still a hot topic.
Parseltongue, pretty much dead, yes. Pig Latin, a pretty silly request in the first place, but you must admit it got two supporters, and the issue was never really resolved head-on as it should've been.
Sindarin, part of an ongoing debate about artificial language Wikipedias, can now be found at [[Requests for new languages/Tolkien languages]], along with Quenya.
Silbo Gomero did not fail, nor was it rediculous.
Such requests as Parseltongue, or maybe even Pig Latin, do not disturb me that much that you removed them, and I certainly would not have added them back (well actually, I didn't add Parseltongue back, only Pig Latin), had you not also gotten rid of scores of more questionable cases.
As Angela noted, in the past requests have just been deleted. But they were seldom legit requests for real languages, and when they were they were often left up for a long time because the page never got very big (*cough*scottgall*cough*). I don't think it was until very recently that actual legitimate requests began being deleted, especially after a time of less than a few months.
What should be pursued is NOT a policy of widespread deletion of requests after time-limits, but rather of calming down the surge of activity by somehow getting Scott Gall to request every tomian, dickler, and harryish language he reads about on Wikipedia. He requested an Ainu Wikipedia, and didn't even know that the Japanese and Chinese Ainu are not related.
I left him a note on his talkpage asking him to withdraw some of his requests, and to refrain from making so many. It seems that NaziismIsntCool has begun to follow Scott's example and is now requesting new WPs frequently, this should be quickly curbed with a note on her talkpage explaining that the page is meant for serious requests only.
Mark
On 20/06/05, Wouter Steenbeek musiqolog@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes, since a few of the Wikipedias you removed weren't because they were old or because they failed, but because you decided they were "rediculous".
And few did not agree with me.
Judge yourself: Pig Latin, Parseltongue, Silbo Gomero, Simple German, Sindarin (which /nota bene/ both had my support but FAILED!), and a hell of a lot of mainly African languages being placed months ago, supported by NO-ONE, posted anonymously and even without any discussion!
W.
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Simple German failed? I saw an awful lot of support, and it was definitely still a hot topic.
Yes, but it was disgraced by you, among others. And I did not remove it, I commentified it, because the discussion was going off-topic.
Parseltongue, pretty much dead, yes. Pig Latin, a pretty silly request in the first place, but you must admit it got two supporters, and the issue was never really resolved head-on as it should've been.
I did not remove Pig Latin until it was refused even at Wikicities.
Sindarin, part of an ongoing debate about artificial language Wikipedias, can now be found at [[Requests for new languages/Tolkien languages]], along with Quenya.
Yes, but with only moral support, and again with a discussion going in the wrong direction.
Silbo Gomero did not fail, nor was it rediculous.
Also only commentified. Show me how to write it down, please.
For the rest, I agree with you.
Such requests as Parseltongue, or maybe even Pig Latin, do not disturb me that much that you removed them, and I certainly would not have added them back (well actually, I didn't add Parseltongue back, only Pig Latin), had you not also gotten rid of scores of more questionable cases.
As Angela noted, in the past requests have just been deleted. But they were seldom legit requests for real languages, and when they were they were often left up for a long time because the page never got very big (*cough*scottgall*cough*). I don't think it was until very recently that actual legitimate requests began being deleted, especially after a time of less than a few months.
What should be pursued is NOT a policy of widespread deletion of requests after time-limits, but rather of calming down the surge of activity by somehow getting Scott Gall to request every tomian, dickler, and harryish language he reads about on Wikipedia. He requested an Ainu Wikipedia, and didn't even know that the Japanese and Chinese Ainu are not related.
I left him a note on his talkpage asking him to withdraw some of his requests, and to refrain from making so many. It seems that NaziismIsntCool has begun to follow Scott's example and is now requesting new WPs frequently, this should be quickly curbed with a note on her talkpage explaining that the page is meant for serious requests only.
Mark
On 20/06/05, Wouter Steenbeek musiqolog@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes, since a few of the Wikipedias you removed weren't because they were old or because they failed, but because you decided they were "rediculous".
And few did not agree with me.
Judge yourself: Pig Latin, Parseltongue, Silbo Gomero, Simple German, Sindarin (which /nota bene/ both had my support but FAILED!), and a hell
of
a lot of mainly African languages being placed months ago, supported by NO-ONE, posted anonymously and even without any discussion!
W.
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Again, these are all personal judgements.
The only one I think may have been OK is Pig Latin -- all the others were for real languages, requested by real people, and received support or interest in some form or another. Just because something is going off-topic, is no excuse to get rid of it -- simply add a note to the discussion that it's getting off-topic.
Mark
On 20/06/05, Wouter Steenbeek musiqolog@hotmail.com wrote:
Simple German failed? I saw an awful lot of support, and it was definitely still a hot topic.
Yes, but it was disgraced by you, among others. And I did not remove it, I commentified it, because the discussion was going off-topic.
Parseltongue, pretty much dead, yes. Pig Latin, a pretty silly request in the first place, but you must admit it got two supporters, and the issue was never really resolved head-on as it should've been.
I did not remove Pig Latin until it was refused even at Wikicities.
Sindarin, part of an ongoing debate about artificial language Wikipedias, can now be found at [[Requests for new languages/Tolkien languages]], along with Quenya.
Yes, but with only moral support, and again with a discussion going in the wrong direction.
Silbo Gomero did not fail, nor was it rediculous.
Also only commentified. Show me how to write it down, please.
For the rest, I agree with you.
Such requests as Parseltongue, or maybe even Pig Latin, do not disturb me that much that you removed them, and I certainly would not have added them back (well actually, I didn't add Parseltongue back, only Pig Latin), had you not also gotten rid of scores of more questionable cases.
As Angela noted, in the past requests have just been deleted. But they were seldom legit requests for real languages, and when they were they were often left up for a long time because the page never got very big (*cough*scottgall*cough*). I don't think it was until very recently that actual legitimate requests began being deleted, especially after a time of less than a few months.
What should be pursued is NOT a policy of widespread deletion of requests after time-limits, but rather of calming down the surge of activity by somehow getting Scott Gall to request every tomian, dickler, and harryish language he reads about on Wikipedia. He requested an Ainu Wikipedia, and didn't even know that the Japanese and Chinese Ainu are not related.
I left him a note on his talkpage asking him to withdraw some of his requests, and to refrain from making so many. It seems that NaziismIsntCool has begun to follow Scott's example and is now requesting new WPs frequently, this should be quickly curbed with a note on her talkpage explaining that the page is meant for serious requests only.
Mark
On 20/06/05, Wouter Steenbeek musiqolog@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes, since a few of the Wikipedias you removed weren't because they were old or because they failed, but because you decided they were "rediculous".
And few did not agree with me.
Judge yourself: Pig Latin, Parseltongue, Silbo Gomero, Simple German, Sindarin (which /nota bene/ both had my support but FAILED!), and a hell
of
a lot of mainly African languages being placed months ago, supported by NO-ONE, posted anonymously and even without any discussion!
W.
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Again, these are all personal judgements.
The only one I think may have been OK is Pig Latin -- all the others were for real languages, requested by real people, and received support or interest in some form or another. Just because something is going off-topic, is no excuse to get rid of it -- simply add a note to the discussion that it's getting off-topic.
Mark
There we go again... /Anything/ is a personal judgement, Mark. I am for instance absolutely unsure that the subscribers to this list are people, but according to my personal judgement they probably all are. I left several notes that discussions were going off-topic. And finally: Even Scott Gall himself did /not/ object when I removed those requests, so why do you?
Wouter
On 20/06/05, Wouter Steenbeek musiqolog@hotmail.com wrote:
Simple German failed? I saw an awful lot of support, and it was definitely still a hot topic.
Yes, but it was disgraced by you, among others. And I did not remove it,
I
commentified it, because the discussion was going off-topic.
Parseltongue, pretty much dead, yes. Pig Latin, a pretty silly request in the first place, but you must admit it got two supporters, and the issue was never really resolved head-on as it should've been.
I did not remove Pig Latin until it was refused even at Wikicities.
Sindarin, part of an ongoing debate about artificial language Wikipedias, can now be found at [[Requests for new languages/Tolkien languages]], along with Quenya.
Yes, but with only moral support, and again with a discussion going in
the
wrong direction.
Silbo Gomero did not fail, nor was it rediculous.
Also only commentified. Show me how to write it down, please.
For the rest, I agree with you.
Such requests as Parseltongue, or maybe even Pig Latin, do not disturb me that much that you removed them, and I certainly would not have added them back (well actually, I didn't add Parseltongue back, only Pig Latin), had you not also gotten rid of scores of more questionable cases.
As Angela noted, in the past requests have just been deleted. But they were seldom legit requests for real languages, and when they were they were often left up for a long time because the page never got very big (*cough*scottgall*cough*). I don't think it was until very recently that actual legitimate requests began being deleted, especially after a time of less than a few months.
What should be pursued is NOT a policy of widespread deletion of requests after time-limits, but rather of calming down the surge of activity by somehow getting Scott Gall to request every tomian, dickler, and harryish language he reads about on Wikipedia. He requested an Ainu Wikipedia, and didn't even know that the Japanese and Chinese Ainu are not related.
I left him a note on his talkpage asking him to withdraw some of his requests, and to refrain from making so many. It seems that NaziismIsntCool has begun to follow Scott's example and is now requesting new WPs frequently, this should be quickly curbed with a note on her talkpage explaining that the page is meant for serious requests only.
Mark
On 20/06/05, Wouter Steenbeek musiqolog@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes, since a few of the Wikipedias you removed weren't because they were old or because they failed, but because you decided they were "rediculous".
And few did not agree with me.
Judge yourself: Pig Latin, Parseltongue, Silbo Gomero, Simple
German,
Sindarin (which /nota bene/ both had my support but FAILED!), and a
hell
of
a lot of mainly African languages being placed months ago, supported
by
NO-ONE, posted anonymously and even without any discussion!
W.
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