This is a call for help on the Kashmiri Wikipedia. There has been some conflict recently over which scripts ought to be used. If anyone has any experience with, or knowledge of, the Kashmiri language, I invite you to participate in the discussion at http://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page
Currently there seem to be only two users on this Wikipedia. One is Rk kaul, and the other is Node-ue. Rk kaul has accused Node-ue of vandalism since he is apparently replacing pages with some sort of unintelligible machine translation.
An additional problem on this Wikipedia is that Node-ue has been editing under various sockpuppet accounts, and also anonymously. He managed to deceitfully gain adminship for two days after creating the account "User:Akka Akka" which was desysopped after complaints about his behaviour. He is also editing under the account "User:Bbbbbbbbb" and being generally abusive to the other user on the wiki.
If anyone is able to help or offer suggestions, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Angela.
If I recall correctly, this is the second minor Wikipedia that Node-ue has vandalized (The last being Toki Pona). After Toki Pona, he was narrowly not globally banned.
I suggest, based on the use of sockpuppetry here, that Node_ue is a vandal. He goes to small Wikipedias where he thinks his actions won't be noticed and where there aren't enough sysops to get together and do anything regarding him.
I repeat the earlier suggestion that he should be banned from all Wikimedia projects.
-Snowspinner
On Nov 3, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Angela wrote:
This is a call for help on the Kashmiri Wikipedia. There has been some conflict recently over which scripts ought to be used. If anyone has any experience with, or knowledge of, the Kashmiri language, I invite you to participate in the discussion at http://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page
Currently there seem to be only two users on this Wikipedia. One is Rk kaul, and the other is Node-ue. Rk kaul has accused Node-ue of vandalism since he is apparently replacing pages with some sort of unintelligible machine translation.
An additional problem on this Wikipedia is that Node-ue has been editing under various sockpuppet accounts, and also anonymously. He managed to deceitfully gain adminship for two days after creating the account "User:Akka Akka" which was desysopped after complaints about his behaviour. He is also editing under the account "User:Bbbbbbbbb" and being generally abusive to the other user on the wiki.
If anyone is able to help or offer suggestions, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
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Hi,
Le Wednesday 3 November 2004 16:23, Phil Sandifer a écrit :
If I recall correctly, this is the second minor Wikipedia that Node-ue has vandalized (The last being Toki Pona). After Toki Pona, he was narrowly not globally banned.
I suggest, based on the use of sockpuppetry here, that Node_ue is a vandal. He goes to small Wikipedias where he thinks his actions won't be noticed and where there aren't enough sysops to get together and do anything regarding him.
I repeat the earlier suggestion that he should be banned from all Wikimedia projects.
I think that a formal warning should be given to him. May be a temporary ban would do ?
-Snowspinner
Yann
Hmm. Let's see. How many Wikipedias are there? Right. How many of them have no active users AT ALL? How many would be better candidates for vandalisation if I wanted to vandalise a Wikipedia? A lot of them, is the answer.
Toki Pona, as I said before, was something I did IGF although in retrospect I realise it was a bad decision on my part. I never denied having done it, and I apologised for it as well.
mark
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:23:14 -0600, Phil Sandifer sandifer@sbcglobal.net wrote:
If I recall correctly, this is the second minor Wikipedia that Node-ue has vandalized (The last being Toki Pona). After Toki Pona, he was narrowly not globally banned.
I suggest, based on the use of sockpuppetry here, that Node_ue is a vandal. He goes to small Wikipedias where he thinks his actions won't be noticed and where there aren't enough sysops to get together and do anything regarding him.
I repeat the earlier suggestion that he should be banned from all Wikimedia projects.
-Snowspinner
On Nov 3, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Angela wrote:
This is a call for help on the Kashmiri Wikipedia. There has been some conflict recently over which scripts ought to be used. If anyone has any experience with, or knowledge of, the Kashmiri language, I invite you to participate in the discussion at http://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page
Currently there seem to be only two users on this Wikipedia. One is Rk kaul, and the other is Node-ue. Rk kaul has accused Node-ue of vandalism since he is apparently replacing pages with some sort of unintelligible machine translation.
An additional problem on this Wikipedia is that Node-ue has been editing under various sockpuppet accounts, and also anonymously. He managed to deceitfully gain adminship for two days after creating the account "User:Akka Akka" which was desysopped after complaints about his behaviour. He is also editing under the account "User:Bbbbbbbbb" and being generally abusive to the other user on the wiki.
If anyone is able to help or offer suggestions, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Angela. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:12:36 +0000, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This is a call for help on the Kashmiri Wikipedia. There has been some conflict recently over which scripts ought to be used. If anyone has any experience with, or knowledge of, the Kashmiri language, I invite you to participate in the discussion at http://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page
Currently there seem to be only two users on this Wikipedia. One is Rk kaul, and the other is Node-ue. Rk kaul has accused Node-ue of vandalism since he is apparently replacing pages with some sort of unintelligible machine translation.
An additional problem on this Wikipedia is that Node-ue has been editing under various sockpuppet accounts, and also anonymously. He managed to deceitfully gain adminship for two days after creating the account "User:Akka Akka" which was desysopped after complaints about his behaviour. He is also editing under the account "User:Bbbbbbbbb" and being generally abusive to the other user on the wiki.
If anyone is able to help or offer suggestions, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Angela.
I resent this accusation.
As I have told Angela before, I am neither of these users.
It should be obvious from my support to many different small Wikipedias that this is not the sort of thing I would do.
If I want to be abusive, I don't do it anonymously or under a name that is not mine, I own up to it.
You may offer up tokipona: as evidence to the contrary, however I will make two points on that: 1. I never said it wasn't me and took responsibility for these actions immediately, 2. I did that IGF, regardless of whether it was a good or bad decision, and I do not see how such abuse as has occured on the Kashmiri Wikipedia by all parties involved could be claimed to be IGF because I do not see how I or anyone else could even try to begin to justify it.
For those of you that frequent #wikipedia, you will note that when I get upset and use abusive language, I never do it anonymously.
After the very recent argument where in fact Angela and I took opposing sides with regards to policy for creating new Wikipedias, I don't see how anybody could reasonably pin such behaviour on me.
mark
Mark Williamson wrote in part:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:12:36 +0000, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
An additional problem on this Wikipedia is that Node-ue has been editing under various sockpuppet accounts, and also anonymously. He managed to deceitfully gain adminship for two days after creating the account "User:Akka Akka" which was desysopped after complaints about his behaviour. He is also editing under the account "User:Bbbbbbbbb" and being generally abusive to the other user on the wiki.
I resent this accusation.
As I have told Angela before, I am neither of these users.
Oh, so it was your pet monkey was it? Both users were at ip24-251-242-236.ph.ph.cox.net. That's the IP address you use to access IRC, so it couldn't be an HTTP proxy.
Angela asked me to confirm your identity before she posted this. She's not prone to making unsubstantiated allegations.
-- Tim Starling
1. I don't have a pet monkey. I only have pet rabbits, who live in a (fairly large) cage, and a desert tortoise, who lives outside.
2. Regardless, she also asked me what I had to say for myself, and I told her I didn't do it. She told me it was from the same IP, but I still said it wasn't me, because, well, it wasn't. Even if she "knows" it was me, she still could've said something like "He says it wasn't him, but the IP address matches and blah blah blah..."
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:12:36 +0000, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
An additional problem on this Wikipedia is that Node-ue has been editing under various sockpuppet accounts, and also anonymously. He managed to deceitfully gain adminship for two days after creating the account "User:Akka Akka" which was desysopped after complaints about his behaviour. He is also editing under the account "User:Bbbbbbbbb" and being generally abusive to the other user on the wiki.
Just today, I checked the behaviour of these two users, neither of whom is me, as well as the other registered users on this Wikipedia.
Bbbbbbbbb ("Bs"?) and rk_kaul got into a heated argument regarding which script should be used, and both of them were fairly abrasive and hurled insults at each other.
It is very long and very unpleasant to read, but I will summarise it:
An anonymous user posted content in the Devanagari script (used predominantly by Hindus to write the language), mostly stubs about countries and US States. Bbbbbbbbb then converted most of this content to the Roman script. The Roman script is used in a couple of different varieties by some people in Kashmir to write the language, the main reasons being: neutrality (whereas Arabic and Devanagari are both used, for the most part, depending on the religion of the user), easier to learn (exactly how I am not sure, unless that means for foreign students who may be more familiar with the Roman alphabet), more international recognisability, and not using a script tied to either country (Pakistan or India).
However, Bbbbbbbbb was not using the most widely used variant of Roman used for Kashmiri, but instead what appears to be the ISO standard for (language-independent) Romanisation of Devanagari.
The amount of time between his/her individual edits makes it seem likely that these transliterations were done with a computer.
Bbbbbbbbb gave an additional reason as justification: that he was writing a program to convert between the different scripts, using the ISO devanagari romanisation as an interscript (a go-between script between Arabic and Devanagari), which he expected to have out in two months, and he hinted that it was some sort of official Wikimedia project or something.
Another user, rk_kaul (someone told me I am him, too. where will this stop?), appears to have been the anonymous user who added most of this content, and is able to read and write all four scripts used to write Kashmiri, although he noted Devanagari comes most naturally to him. He was frustrated by Bbbbbbbbb's converting all the content he wrote into 'gibberish', and asked Bbbbbbbbb to stop.
It started out fairly friendly, but when both refused to compromise (it should be noted however that rk_kaul added a little bit of content in the Arabic script) things descended into chaos, with quite a few pages being turned into revert war zones, including the Main Page (at first rk_kaul wanted it in Devanagari, but later he made a language-neutral mainpage linking to different mainpages for each script). Both users used some abusive language, and both accused each other of not speaking Kashmiri and both accused the other of vandalism and both threatened to report the other to authorities.
Akka Akka had very few contributions, and he appears to have mostly been trying to mediate but added no new content in Kashmiri.
Another user called Khaqsar has only 4 edits, but one was user page vandalism, and another was deleting all the content of the page.
A compromise has been reached where I am not allowed to go to the Kashmiri Wikipedia for 2 months, and all the people I am accused of being will be banned which although I believe is unfair is OK since that doesn't include all the major contributors of content.
Note however that doesn't mean I admit to doing it - compare it to being falsely accused of robbing a jewelry store, having all the evidence against you, and then finding that the sentence is only community service. It makes so little of a difference to me directly (I cannot register at ks: for two months) that I don't mind taking it.
mark
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