Hi, Le Wednesday 3 November 2004 16:23, Phil Sandifer a écrit : I think that a formal warning should be given to him. May be a temporary ban would do ? Yann -- http://www.non-violence.org/ | Site collaboratif sur la non-violence http://www.forget-me.net/ | Alternatives sur le Net http://fr.wikipedia.org/ | Encyclopédie libre http://www.forget-me.net/pro/ | Formations et services Linux

Hmm. Let's see. How many Wikipedias are there? Right. How many of them have no active users AT ALL? How many would be better candidates for vandalisation if I wanted to vandalise a Wikipedia? A lot of them, is the answer. Toki Pona, as I said before, was something I did IGF although in retrospect I realise it was a bad decision on my part. I never denied having done it, and I apologised for it as well. mark On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:23:14 -0600, Phil Sandifer <sandifer(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

1. I don't have a pet monkey. I only have pet rabbits, who live in a (fairly large) cage, and a desert tortoise, who lives outside. 2. Regardless, she also asked me what I had to say for myself, and I told her I didn't do it. She told me it was from the same IP, but I still said it wasn't me, because, well, it wasn't. Even if she "knows" it was me, she still could've said something like "He says it wasn't him, but the IP address matches and blah blah blah..." Just today, I checked the behaviour of these two users, neither of whom is me, as well as the other registered users on this Wikipedia. Bbbbbbbbb ("Bs"?) and rk_kaul got into a heated argument regarding which script should be used, and both of them were fairly abrasive and hurled insults at each other. It is very long and very unpleasant to read, but I will summarise it: An anonymous user posted content in the Devanagari script (used predominantly by Hindus to write the language), mostly stubs about countries and US States. Bbbbbbbbb then converted most of this content to the Roman script. The Roman script is used in a couple of different varieties by some people in Kashmir to write the language, the main reasons being: neutrality (whereas Arabic and Devanagari are both used, for the most part, depending on the religion of the user), easier to learn (exactly how I am not sure, unless that means for foreign students who may be more familiar with the Roman alphabet), more international recognisability, and not using a script tied to either country (Pakistan or India). However, Bbbbbbbbb was not using the most widely used variant of Roman used for Kashmiri, but instead what appears to be the ISO standard for (language-independent) Romanisation of Devanagari. The amount of time between his/her individual edits makes it seem likely that these transliterations were done with a computer. Bbbbbbbbb gave an additional reason as justification: that he was writing a program to convert between the different scripts, using the ISO devanagari romanisation as an interscript (a go-between script between Arabic and Devanagari), which he expected to have out in two months, and he hinted that it was some sort of official Wikimedia project or something. Another user, rk_kaul (someone told me I am him, too. where will this stop?), appears to have been the anonymous user who added most of this content, and is able to read and write all four scripts used to write Kashmiri, although he noted Devanagari comes most naturally to him. He was frustrated by Bbbbbbbbb's converting all the content he wrote into 'gibberish', and asked Bbbbbbbbb to stop. It started out fairly friendly, but when both refused to compromise (it should be noted however that rk_kaul added a little bit of content in the Arabic script) things descended into chaos, with quite a few pages being turned into revert war zones, including the Main Page (at first rk_kaul wanted it in Devanagari, but later he made a language-neutral mainpage linking to different mainpages for each script). Both users used some abusive language, and both accused each other of not speaking Kashmiri and both accused the other of vandalism and both threatened to report the other to authorities. Akka Akka had very few contributions, and he appears to have mostly been trying to mediate but added no new content in Kashmiri. Another user called Khaqsar has only 4 edits, but one was user page vandalism, and another was deleting all the content of the page. A compromise has been reached where I am not allowed to go to the Kashmiri Wikipedia for 2 months, and all the people I am accused of being will be banned which although I believe is unfair is OK since that doesn't include all the major contributors of content. Note however that doesn't mean I admit to doing it - compare it to being falsely accused of robbing a jewelry store, having all the evidence against you, and then finding that the sentence is only community service. It makes so little of a difference to me directly (I cannot register at ks: for two months) that I don't mind taking it. mark