Tim Starling wrote: World wide redistributability still needs to be tempered with practicality and common sense. The extra long terms in Mexico and Colombia should not leave the rest of paralyzed to the point of inactivity. The situation would be even worse if some small impoverished country were to accept payment from a large corporate purveyor of proprietary material to institute a regime of perpetual copyrights. The location of the servers is important in determining jurisdiction in the event of any potential difference of opinion over whether we collectively can include the material. How the downstream user emplys the material is beyond our control, and it is iimpossible to imagine all the possibilities, among which are those that would succeed in converting free material into non-free material. That is entirely possible unles we were to actively pursue anyone and everyone who claims copyright on material thawt was already GFDL. Some amount of fair use is inevitable, and just how much needs to be flexible enough to accomodate a myriad possibilities. It would be a dangerous practice for those of us who do not participate in a project in a particular language to start making assumptions about the applicability of the law of the country where that language dominates. Thus far some language projects are comfortable with fair use; others aren't. In this case it is up to the participants of WP:RU collectively to determine their comfort level. The normal good-faith assumption is that contributors do so in compliance with the law, and failing that that their breaches of the law are not wilfull. Naturally, if WMF receives formal complaints it will need to scrutinize the situation more closely, and act accordingly, but that does not seem to be the case. After reading about the Perfect 10 case I think that it is easy to distinguish it from the present complaint. While Google was going out and adding thumbnails of anything its spiders could discover, our article includes a few illustrations which in the editors' exercise of judgement fairly illustrated the article. Allowance is already made for that kind of thing in English. It should be up to our Russian editors to determine if they want a similar policy, and not for outsiders to impose their interpretation of Russian law. The other factor here is whether Bogdan's complaint is really about a copyvio, or is it about pornography. In the past we have tended to be more tolerant of pornography than copyright infringement. I become concerned when an allegation of copyright infringement is used tactically to achieve a removal of supposed pornography. Ec

Tuesday, February 6, 2007, 7:48:01 PM, Bryan wrote: Wikipedia, unlike myspace, still requires reliable sources and from what I've seen, that policy is here to stay. We don't accept original research, unsourceable affirmations or sourcing from random blogs and forums. If you look in the Russian wikipedia article, it even includes an IRC log, which wouldn't last one minute on en.wiki! :-)

Oh, those Russians! You know, Bogdan, before you point out the mote in the Russian Wikipedia's eye, why not clear the log out of your own? Most articles on the Romanian Wikipedia are sub-sub-sub-stubs, including many that aren't even complete sentences. I cannot see why this is allowed except for artificial inflation of article count. Instead of looking for things wrong with the Wikipedia you despise the very most of all besides Moldovan, why not admit your own internal problems and do some good work fixing them. Mark On 06/02/07, Bogdan Giusca <liste(a)dapyx.com> wrote: -- Refije dirije lanmè yo paske nou posede pwòp bato.

Bogdan Giusca wrote: Last I checked [[WP:RS]] was a guideline and not a policy. Verifiability is a policy. Further the content of [[WP:RS]] with respect to the use of primary sources when documenting primarily or largely online subjects is contentious at best. I agree that caution should be employed before using things like usenet and forums for references, but I think that common sense (regarding verifiability) should be used before rejecting them. SKL