Ahh, and what you said about "not magically transformed into Croatian" is
funny.
Can you give me an example of a WP article where there is more than 3
unique words that are different in Serbian than Croatian, excluding
Ijekavian/Ekavian differences?
If you can, most of them will probably be minor spelling differences
(sc vs st, for example), or it will be an article about Europe
(because Romania, Moldova, Spain, Portugal, etc. have different names
in Serbian and Croatian).
But the vast majority of articles, like the vast majority of words,
are identical with the exception of Ijekavian and Ekavian differences.
You are trying to pass Croatian off as if it were only distantly
related to Serbian, to the people on this list who may not be as well
informed.
It should be clear to anybody that upon any examination of the issue,
it makes absolutely 0 sense that one year there is 1 language, by 10
years later it is magically transformed into 3.
What is really going on here is a change of how important are the same
differences that have always existed.
Ladies and gentlemen, other than Ijekavski/Ekavski, the differences
between Serbian and Croatian are perhaps just a little bit more than
US and UK English. The differences progress a little bit further in
that: Croatian always uses "Native" name for months, while Serbian
generally uses loanwords; Serbian and Croatian have some different
names for a few dozen countries (for example Spain, Moldova, Portugal
which are Spanija/Spanjolska, Moldavija/Moldova,
Portugalija/Portugal).
Other than this, differences in vocabulary are probably about as many
and as frequent as between American and British English.
Now back to you, Elephantus.
In your e-mails, you've also been trying to play up the importance of
Ijekavski and Latin alphabet. As noted before, that problem is easily
solved, so the fact that you keep mentioning it is pure FUD.
Lexical conversion (ie, replacing words which are different) is also
relatively easy to resolve but obviously not as easy as orthographic
or alphabet conversion, but it's already being done on the Chinese
Wikipedia. For example, the term that means both "computer" and
"calculator" to Mainland Chinese, means only "calculator" in Taiwan.
So it is converted. They have different words for "internet", so
that's converted. Some countries and people have different names,
which are converted.
Now, if you don't have to worry about the little different words, the
Ijekavski vs Ekavski, and the Latin vs Cyrillic, what is there left to
worry about but the name of the language?
Mark
On 10/10/05, elephantus <elephantus(a)net.hr> wrote:
In the future
sh.wiki hopes to implement an automatic converter
between Cyrillic, Latin, Ijekavski, and Ekavski, so these
stylistic/dialect/variety issues won't be a problem anymore.
Now, with such conversion, you wouldn't have to worry about edit wars
over what norm is used, because no matter what norm it is written in,
it is displayed in the chosen norm (possibly based on IP range-- users
in Croatia and Bosnia get Ijekavian, users in Serbia get Ekavian;
users in Croatia, Bosnia, and Montenegro get Latin alphabet, users in
Serbia get Cyrillic, but of course you can change these preferences).
Mark
Differences between standard Serbian and Croatian are larger than
just differences of ekavian/ijekavian. A text in Serbian converted
to ijekavian feels to us just a little less Serbian (somewhat Bosnian)
than the original, it's not somehow magically transformed into
Croatian. And please, don't throw NPOV phrases at me, because how
on earth are you going to NPOV-ize loads of technical, scientific
and everyday vocabulary, syntax etc.? Do you plan to write slashes
between variants? Write the same sentence twice? Believe me,
all of this has been tried before, immense force, threats, everything
was applied and the end result was the same – zero.
Elephantus (from Croatian Wikipedia)
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