Hi everyone,
just for the record and for the slow in hearing,
I find it interesting that you refer to the Sass
orthography, when
Heiko recently reverted changes by Reinhart Hahn to attempt to bring a
page into accordance with the Sass orthography.
This is not correct. Sass states
different in all changes in question.
"Der neue Sass" makes a few important phonetic distinctions that you
guys don't make. When Ron added them, as well as fixing you guys' poor
grammar, his changes were reverted by HeikoEvermann.
No, it does not make these
distinctions. The interesting feature about the new
Sass is that it lists variants of the main entries in the dictionary, and the
"important phonetic destinction" can only be *inferred* from whether or not
certain variants are given, or not. We have decided as
nds.wikipedia.org
community to write according to Sass and in the case of variants this means
to go by the first one.
Just one example:
* engl: "many" => "veel (vääl)". So Sass favours "veel"
över "vääl" and
states that veel is to pronounce "eintonig" and not as a diphtong like
"veyl".
Nevertheless Mark changed "veel" into "vääl". I then reverted it. In
general
Sass favours "e" över "ä". Mark does otherwise. He changed a lot of
"e"s into
"ä"s. I do not consider that an improvement.
Re running down admins... Slomox, both you and HeikoEvermann state
very clearly that your native language is Hochdeutsch, not Platt.
Important decisions such as orthography shouldn't be made by
second-language speakers only, and neither should the entire interface
be translated and thousands of articles created mostly by
second-language speakers (look at na: for a worst-case scenario; ga:
still has problems because much of its initial content, and the user
interface, was written in poor Irish by a second-language speaker).
We have decided
to go according to the main Low Saxon orthography that is in
use in Germany, and such a decision is certainly within our language
competence.
The solution to this problem as I see it: Fix the
grammatical problems
with nds.wiki which are the result of contributor incompetency. Add
nessecary orthographic distinctions. Introduce orthographic converter
based on the model I constructed.
1) We have been tidying up a lot recently, but
Mark fails to notice. He just
comes along, has an idea, does not ask the community about its customs and
just does whatever he has in mind. He gets reverted, does it again and gets
into trouble. This is egotism. Wikipedia however is supposed to be a
community project.
2) Whether or not these phonetic distinctions are neccessary or not is not
just for me or for Mark to decide. The main orthography (according to Sass)
thinks otherwise. And therefore it is fine not to make that distinction.
3) That also means that his orthographic converter will not be needed. Unless,
of course, a community process over time comes to a different conclusion.
And then, after this, there needs to be a recognition that nds.wiki at
the current time can only be for Northern and Western Low Saxon, ie
excluding Plautdietsch, Westphaelsch, Eastphaelsch... otherwise we
open the Pandora's box of incomprehensibility.
Yes, this is indeed the case.
But these variants of Low Saxon are different no
matter what orthography you use. Nordneddersassisch is one of the variants
within Low Saxon that developed into a standard. (BTW: Harry Potter vol 1+2
were translated into Low Saxon, guess into which version... Right:
Nordneddersassisch)
As a last word I want to apologizw to the mailing list for bothering you with
these problems.
Kind regards,
Heiko Evermann