hi
Gileki wikipedia have many supporters that want topromote it. We need a provider to develop it. Also does any committe or something like that have to approve it first?
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Gileki
I appreciate your help.It is over a month that I am sending these kind of emails around.
Rastgaar
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48 supports, no opposition, 5 actively interested editors including a native speaker. It certainly has the requisite # of interested parties. Wikitech-l is perhaps more likely to grab the attention of a developer who can set up the new wiki... where did you send previous emails about this?
SJ
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hi
Gileki wikipedia have many supporters that want topromote it. We need a provider to develop it. Also does any committe or something like that have to approve it first?
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Gileki
I appreciate your help.It is over a month that I am sending these kind of emails around.
Rastgaar
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SJ wrote:
48 supports, no opposition, 5 actively interested editors including a native speaker. It certainly has the requisite # of interested parties. Wikitech-l is perhaps more likely to grab the attention of a developer who can set up the new wiki... where did you send previous emails about this?
I think it's probably about time that we created a batch of new wikis. Are there any other suitable candidates that we can do at the same time?
-- Tim Starling
Hoi, Many people are in favour of adding Gilaki to the list of languages.. There is one issue outstanding as far as I am concerned. At WiktionaryZ the Babel templates are in an Arabic script.. The first Gilaki word however is in both the Latin and this Arabic script.
Another issue is that the language is called Gilaki and only Wikipedia calls it Gileki ..
It would be nice to have these issues resolved first..
Thanks, GerardM
http://wiktionaryz.org/WiktionaryZ:Gilaki
On 9/29/06, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ wrote:
48 supports, no opposition, 5 actively interested editors including a native speaker. It certainly has the requisite # of interested parties. Wikitech-l is perhaps more likely to grab the attention of a developer who can set up the new wiki... where did you send previous emails about this?
I think it's probably about time that we created a batch of new wikis. Are there any other suitable candidates that we can do at the same time?
-- Tim Starling
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
GerardM wrote:
Hoi, Many people are in favour of adding Gilaki to the list of languages.. There is one issue outstanding as far as I am concerned. At WiktionaryZ the Babel templates are in an Arabic script.. The first Gilaki word however is in both the Latin and this Arabic script.
Another issue is that the language is called Gilaki and only Wikipedia calls it Gileki ..
It would be nice to have these issues resolved first..
Couldn't we create it first and resolve the issues later? Unless you are suggesting that the existence of these issues implies that the proposers don't know anything about the language, I don't see any problem with changing either the default text direction or the language name after the wiki is created.
-- Tim Starling
Hoi, There are several projects where there are groups fighting each other because their project was envisioned to be only about one specific orthography or script. It is in my opinion much better to solve these issues first and be sure that there will be no such fight in the future.
Thanks, GerardM
On 9/29/06, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
GerardM wrote:
Hoi, Many people are in favour of adding Gilaki to the list of languages..
There
is one issue outstanding as far as I am concerned. At WiktionaryZ the
Babel
templates are in an Arabic script.. The first Gilaki word however is in
both
the Latin and this Arabic script.
Another issue is that the language is called Gilaki and only Wikipedia
calls
it Gileki ..
It would be nice to have these issues resolved first..
Couldn't we create it first and resolve the issues later? Unless you are suggesting that the existence of these issues implies that the proposers don't know anything about the language, I don't see any problem with changing either the default text direction or the language name after the wiki is created.
-- Tim Starling
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Thank you all for your emails,
1- I have proposed Gileki . Me and other 4 editors are Native Giek. I just added (N) to their IDs 2- The phonetic of this language is GilƏki. In English, it is called Gileki and in French Gilaki. Ethnologe calls it Gilaki. This means that Ethnologe is not showing the correct pronanciation of Gileki. 3- Eventhough I had been asked to help to untangle the discrepancy ralted to the name of this language in WiktionaryZ, eventually I had to change every "Gileki" to "Gilaki", otherwise I have not been able to edit it. I think it is a quick wrap up but not necessarily the best and considering solution. 4- I am sure that this language is not the only one tha has the problem of difference between Ethnologe scripts and its phonetic. I will comply with whatever is your policy. 5- The first word in Gileki wiktionaryZ is in Roman scripts, because It was there when I first saw this page. So I assumed it is the WiktionaryZ format.
Thanks Have agreat time
Rastgaar
GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, There are several projects where there are groups fighting each other because their project was envisioned to be only about one specific orthography or script. It is in my opinion much better to solve these issues first and be sure that there will be no such fight in the future.
Thanks, GerardM
On 9/29/06, Tim Starling wrote:
GerardM wrote:
Hoi, Many people are in favour of adding Gilaki to the list of languages..
There
is one issue outstanding as far as I am concerned. At WiktionaryZ the
Babel
templates are in an Arabic script.. The first Gilaki word however is in
both
the Latin and this Arabic script.
Another issue is that the language is called Gilaki and only Wikipedia
calls
it Gileki ..
It would be nice to have these issues resolved first..
Couldn't we create it first and resolve the issues later? Unless you are suggesting that the existence of these issues implies that the proposers don't know anything about the language, I don't see any problem with changing either the default text direction or the language name after the wiki is created.
-- Tim Starling
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Hoi, I have fixed the entry in WiktionaryZ for Gilaki; The enty in Gilaki is now using the Arab script. The name of a language has nothing to do with how the language is pronounced in the original language or transliterated from the original language. If it were, my language would not be called Dutch and Finnish would be Suomi.
The English Wikipedia article was renamed from Gilaki to Gileki and the content of the article is still about Gilaki. Given that Wikipedia is not about "original research", it should be named as is usual ie Gilaki.
Thanks, GerardM
On 9/29/06, M Rastgaar rastgaar@yahoo.com wrote:
Thank you all for your emails,
1- I have proposed Gileki . Me and other 4 editors are Native Giek. I just added (N) to their IDs 2- The phonetic of this language is GilƏki. In English, it is called Gileki and in French Gilaki. Ethnologe calls it Gilaki. This means that Ethnologe is not showing the correct pronanciation of Gileki. 3- Eventhough I had been asked to help to untangle the discrepancy ralted to the name of this language in WiktionaryZ, eventually I had to change every "Gileki" to "Gilaki", otherwise I have not been able to edit it. I think it is a quick wrap up but not necessarily the best and considering solution. 4- I am sure that this language is not the only one tha has the problem of difference between Ethnologe scripts and its phonetic. I will comply with whatever is your policy. 5- The first word in Gileki wiktionaryZ is in Roman scripts, because It was there when I first saw this page. So I assumed it is the WiktionaryZ format.
Thanks Have agreat time
Rastgaar
GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, There are several projects where there are groups fighting each other because their project was envisioned to be only about one specific orthography or script. It is in my opinion much better to solve these issues first and be sure that there will be no such fight in the future.
Thanks, GerardM
On 9/29/06, Tim Starling wrote:
GerardM wrote:
Hoi, Many people are in favour of adding Gilaki to the list of languages..
There
is one issue outstanding as far as I am concerned. At WiktionaryZ the
Babel
templates are in an Arabic script.. The first Gilaki word however is
in
both
the Latin and this Arabic script.
Another issue is that the language is called Gilaki and only Wikipedia
calls
it Gileki ..
It would be nice to have these issues resolved first..
Couldn't we create it first and resolve the issues later? Unless you are suggesting that the existence of these issues implies that the proposers don't know anything about the language, I don't see any problem with changing either the default text direction or the language name after
the
wiki is created.
-- Tim Starling
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M Rastgaar wrote:
Thank you all for your emails,
1- I have proposed Gileki . Me and other 4 editors are Native Giek. I just added (N) to their IDs 2- The phonetic of this language is GilƏki. In English, it is called Gileki and in French Gilaki. Ethnologe calls it Gilaki. This means that Ethnologe is not showing the correct pronanciation of Gileki. 3- Eventhough I had been asked to help to untangle the discrepancy ralted to the name of this language in WiktionaryZ, eventually I had to change every "Gileki" to "Gilaki", otherwise I have not been able to edit it. I think it is a quick wrap up but not necessarily the best and considering solution.
It would make sense if we all had the same name. I noticed the the WP article gives the name in Farsi rather than in the language itself. In any event, vowels in Arabic script languages are not always written. When giving the English name of something in another language correct pronunciation is really a secondary consideration.
Ec
Yes, including:
-Wu (code wuu, native name 吴语) -Mazandarani (code mzn, native name مَزِروني) -Newari (code new, native name नेपाल भाषा) -Lak (code lbe, native name Лакку) -Sammarinese/Emilian-Romagnol (code eml, native name Emilià) -Buryat (code bxr, native name Буряад) -Upper Sorbian (code hsb, native name Hornjoserbsce) -Novial (code nov, native name Novial) -Pangasinan (code pag, native name Pangasinan) -Austrobavarian (code bar, native name Boarisch) -Bishnupriya Manipuri (code bpy, native name ইমার ঠার/বিষ্ণুপ্রিয়া মণিপুরী) -Dimli-Zazaki (code diq, native name Zazaki) -Zeelandic (code zea, native name Zeêuws) -Tarantino (code roa-tara, native name Tarandíne) -Zamboageno (code cbk-zam, native name Chavacano de Zamboanga) -Classical Chinese/Literary Chinese (code zh-classical, native name 文言文) -North Russian (code ru-sib, native name Сибирской / Полношнорусской) -Min Dong (code cdo, native name Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄)
It may seem like a lot, but in fact each of them has many contributors and native speakers (in the case of Novial and Literary Chinese, fluent writers) waiting to begin building them, and they have been approved by a majority of voters. Most of them have quickly-growing test wikipedias already.
For more information, you can see if you like http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages although that page is rather long and cumbersome now.
Mark
On 29/09/06, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ wrote:
48 supports, no opposition, 5 actively interested editors including a native speaker. It certainly has the requisite # of interested parties. Wikitech-l is perhaps more likely to grab the attention of a developer who can set up the new wiki... where did you send previous emails about this?
I think it's probably about time that we created a batch of new wikis. Are there any other suitable candidates that we can do at the same time?
-- Tim Starling
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
And of course there is Gileki, ISO code glk and native name گیلکی
Mark
On 29/09/06, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, including:
-Wu (code wuu, native name 吴语) -Mazandarani (code mzn, native name مَزِروني) -Newari (code new, native name नेपाल भाषा) -Lak (code lbe, native name Лакку) -Sammarinese/Emilian-Romagnol (code eml, native name Emilià) -Buryat (code bxr, native name Буряад) -Upper Sorbian (code hsb, native name Hornjoserbsce) -Novial (code nov, native name Novial) -Pangasinan (code pag, native name Pangasinan) -Austrobavarian (code bar, native name Boarisch) -Bishnupriya Manipuri (code bpy, native name ইমার ঠার/বিষ্ণুপ্রিয়া মণিপুরী) -Dimli-Zazaki (code diq, native name Zazaki) -Zeelandic (code zea, native name Zeêuws) -Tarantino (code roa-tara, native name Tarandíne) -Zamboageno (code cbk-zam, native name Chavacano de Zamboanga) -Classical Chinese/Literary Chinese (code zh-classical, native name 文言文) -North Russian (code ru-sib, native name Сибирской / Полношнорусской) -Min Dong (code cdo, native name Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄)
It may seem like a lot, but in fact each of them has many contributors and native speakers (in the case of Novial and Literary Chinese, fluent writers) waiting to begin building them, and they have been approved by a majority of voters. Most of them have quickly-growing test wikipedias already.
For more information, you can see if you like http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages although that page is rather long and cumbersome now.
Mark
On 29/09/06, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ wrote:
48 supports, no opposition, 5 actively interested editors including a native speaker. It certainly has the requisite # of interested parties. Wikitech-l is perhaps more likely to grab the attention of a developer who can set up the new wiki... where did you send previous emails about this?
I think it's probably about time that we created a batch of new wikis. Are there any other suitable candidates that we can do at the same time?
-- Tim Starling
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Ah, and directionality is left-to-right AFAIK for all of them except Mazandarani and Gileki.
M
On 29/09/06, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
And of course there is Gileki, ISO code glk and native name گیلکی
Mark
On 29/09/06, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, including:
-Wu (code wuu, native name 吴语) -Mazandarani (code mzn, native name مَزِروني) -Newari (code new, native name नेपाल भाषा) -Lak (code lbe, native name Лакку) -Sammarinese/Emilian-Romagnol (code eml, native name Emilià) -Buryat (code bxr, native name Буряад) -Upper Sorbian (code hsb, native name Hornjoserbsce) -Novial (code nov, native name Novial) -Pangasinan (code pag, native name Pangasinan) -Austrobavarian (code bar, native name Boarisch) -Bishnupriya Manipuri (code bpy, native name ইমার ঠার/বিষ্ণুপ্রিয়া মণিপুরী) -Dimli-Zazaki (code diq, native name Zazaki) -Zeelandic (code zea, native name Zeêuws) -Tarantino (code roa-tara, native name Tarandíne) -Zamboageno (code cbk-zam, native name Chavacano de Zamboanga) -Classical Chinese/Literary Chinese (code zh-classical, native name 文言文) -North Russian (code ru-sib, native name Сибирской / Полношнорусской) -Min Dong (code cdo, native name Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄)
It may seem like a lot, but in fact each of them has many contributors and native speakers (in the case of Novial and Literary Chinese, fluent writers) waiting to begin building them, and they have been approved by a majority of voters. Most of them have quickly-growing test wikipedias already.
For more information, you can see if you like http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages although that page is rather long and cumbersome now.
Mark
On 29/09/06, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ wrote:
48 supports, no opposition, 5 actively interested editors including a native speaker. It certainly has the requisite # of interested parties. Wikitech-l is perhaps more likely to grab the attention of a developer who can set up the new wiki... where did you send previous emails about this?
I think it's probably about time that we created a batch of new wikis. Are there any other suitable candidates that we can do at the same time?
-- Tim Starling
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Mark Williamson wrote:
Excuse me?
On 29/09/06, philip sampson sampsonphilip@hotmail.com wrote:
STOP !
I think he meant to say that maybe you could have spent a bit more time thinking about your messages before you posted them. There's no rush. Then maybe one post would have been enough, rather than three.
Anyway, I would rather have a list drawn up, or at least checked, by someone other than Mark. In my experience, following Mark's advice on language matters can annoy a lot of people.
-- Tim Starling
Tim, I linked you to an external list compiled (largely) by others which confirms my list.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages
On 29/09/06, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Excuse me?
On 29/09/06, philip sampson sampsonphilip@hotmail.com wrote:
STOP !
I think he meant to say that maybe you could have spent a bit more time thinking about your messages before you posted them. There's no rush. Then maybe one post would have been enough, rather than three.
Anyway, I would rather have a list drawn up, or at least checked, by someone other than Mark. In my experience, following Mark's advice on language matters can annoy a lot of people.
-- Tim Starling
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I think we can do without Novial in the same way we can do without Klingon. The arguments in its favour seem to give it an importance that is not matched with reality. The inclusion of Novial words in the English Wiktionary does not imply that a full project for this language is warranted. The Wikibook about Novial quite properly explains the language; it does nothing to establish that there is anything other than translations or books about Novial written about the language. Who is the audience for this language?
I would even question the legitimacy of many of the votes in support of the language.
Ec
Mark Williamson wrote:
Yes, including:
-Wu (code wuu, native name 吴语) -Mazandarani (code mzn, native name مَزِروني) -Newari (code new, native name नेपाल भाषा) -Lak (code lbe, native name Лакку) -Sammarinese/Emilian-Romagnol (code eml, native name Emilià) -Buryat (code bxr, native name Буряад) -Upper Sorbian (code hsb, native name Hornjoserbsce) -Novial (code nov, native name Novial) -Pangasinan (code pag, native name Pangasinan) -Austrobavarian (code bar, native name Boarisch) -Bishnupriya Manipuri (code bpy, native name ইমার ঠার/বিষ্ণুপ্রিয়া মণিপুরী) -Dimli-Zazaki (code diq, native name Zazaki) -Zeelandic (code zea, native name Zeêuws) -Tarantino (code roa-tara, native name Tarandíne) -Zamboageno (code cbk-zam, native name Chavacano de Zamboanga) -Classical Chinese/Literary Chinese (code zh-classical, native name 文言文) -North Russian (code ru-sib, native name Сибирской / Полношнорусской) -Min Dong (code cdo, native name Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄)
It may seem like a lot, but in fact each of them has many contributors and native speakers (in the case of Novial and Literary Chinese, fluent writers) waiting to begin building them, and they have been approved by a majority of voters. Most of them have quickly-growing test wikipedias already.
For more information, you can see if you like http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages although that page is rather long and cumbersome now.
Mark
On 29/09/06, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ wrote:
48 supports, no opposition, 5 actively interested editors including a native speaker. It certainly has the requisite # of interested parties. Wikitech-l is perhaps more likely to grab the attention of a developer who can set up the new wiki... where did you send previous emails about this?
I think it's probably about time that we created a batch of new wikis. Are there any other suitable candidates that we can do at the same time?
-- Tim Starling
Well, it was justified on the following grounds:
1) It was one of the "original" IntAuxLangs 2) It has enjoyed a recent revival of interest 3) Its test WP grew to a considerable size.
I imagine the debate over Klingon would've been a bit less one-sided if the Klingon WP had had more articles.
Mark
On 30/09/06, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
I think we can do without Novial in the same way we can do without Klingon. The arguments in its favour seem to give it an importance that is not matched with reality. The inclusion of Novial words in the English Wiktionary does not imply that a full project for this language is warranted. The Wikibook about Novial quite properly explains the language; it does nothing to establish that there is anything other than translations or books about Novial written about the language. Who is the audience for this language?
I would even question the legitimacy of many of the votes in support of the language.
Ec
Mark Williamson wrote:
Yes, including:
-Wu (code wuu, native name 吴语) -Mazandarani (code mzn, native name مَزِروني) -Newari (code new, native name नेपाल भाषा) -Lak (code lbe, native name Лакку) -Sammarinese/Emilian-Romagnol (code eml, native name Emilià) -Buryat (code bxr, native name Буряад) -Upper Sorbian (code hsb, native name Hornjoserbsce) -Novial (code nov, native name Novial) -Pangasinan (code pag, native name Pangasinan) -Austrobavarian (code bar, native name Boarisch) -Bishnupriya Manipuri (code bpy, native name ইমার ঠার/বিষ্ণুপ্রিয়া মণিপুরী) -Dimli-Zazaki (code diq, native name Zazaki) -Zeelandic (code zea, native name Zeêuws) -Tarantino (code roa-tara, native name Tarandíne) -Zamboageno (code cbk-zam, native name Chavacano de Zamboanga) -Classical Chinese/Literary Chinese (code zh-classical, native name 文言文) -North Russian (code ru-sib, native name Сибирской / Полношнорусской) -Min Dong (code cdo, native name Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄)
It may seem like a lot, but in fact each of them has many contributors and native speakers (in the case of Novial and Literary Chinese, fluent writers) waiting to begin building them, and they have been approved by a majority of voters. Most of them have quickly-growing test wikipedias already.
For more information, you can see if you like http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages although that page is rather long and cumbersome now.
Mark
On 29/09/06, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ wrote:
48 supports, no opposition, 5 actively interested editors including a native speaker. It certainly has the requisite # of interested parties. Wikitech-l is perhaps more likely to grab the attention of a developer who can set up the new wiki... where did you send previous emails about this?
I think it's probably about time that we created a batch of new wikis. Are there any other suitable candidates that we can do at the same time?
-- Tim Starling
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
The fact that some number of hobbyists want to put attention into a test WP doesn't change the fact that the language has no native readers. As long as the purpose of Wikipedia is to make knowledge available to the world, just what knowledge is being made available to what people?
It should not be up to us to generate the notability for this material.
Ec
Mark Williamson wrote:
Well, it was justified on the following grounds:
- It was one of the "original" IntAuxLangs
- It has enjoyed a recent revival of interest
- Its test WP grew to a considerable size.
I imagine the debate over Klingon would've been a bit less one-sided if the Klingon WP had had more articles.
Mark
On 30/09/06, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
I think we can do without Novial in the same way we can do without Klingon. The arguments in its favour seem to give it an importance that is not matched with reality. The inclusion of Novial words in the English Wiktionary does not imply that a full project for this language is warranted. The Wikibook about Novial quite properly explains the language; it does nothing to establish that there is anything other than translations or books about Novial written about the language. Who is the audience for this language?
I would even question the legitimacy of many of the votes in support of the language.
Ec
Novial is already notable.
As to native readers -- close down the Interlingua, Lojban, Interlingue, etc. Wikipedias before trying to stop the creation (belatedly) of new Wikipedias in conlangs with no native readers.
Mark
On 05/10/06, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
The fact that some number of hobbyists want to put attention into a test WP doesn't change the fact that the language has no native readers. As long as the purpose of Wikipedia is to make knowledge available to the world, just what knowledge is being made available to what people?
It should not be up to us to generate the notability for this material.
Ec
Mark Williamson wrote:
Well, it was justified on the following grounds:
- It was one of the "original" IntAuxLangs
- It has enjoyed a recent revival of interest
- Its test WP grew to a considerable size.
I imagine the debate over Klingon would've been a bit less one-sided if the Klingon WP had had more articles.
Mark
On 30/09/06, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
I think we can do without Novial in the same way we can do without Klingon. The arguments in its favour seem to give it an importance that is not matched with reality. The inclusion of Novial words in the English Wiktionary does not imply that a full project for this language is warranted. The Wikibook about Novial quite properly explains the language; it does nothing to establish that there is anything other than translations or books about Novial written about the language. Who is the audience for this language?
I would even question the legitimacy of many of the votes in support of the language.
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