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I had even forgotten I had subscribed. No offense, but what WAS wikipedia-l created to do?
j godsey
Mark Ryan wrote:
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joyce wrote:
I had even forgotten I had subscribed. No offense, but what WAS wikipedia-l created to do?
Wikipedia-l was created on January 22, 2001, a week after the creation of the Wikipedia website. Its purpose was to provide a place for Wikipedia-specific discussions, as an alternative to the Nupedia list which was in use for Wikipedia-related discussions before that date.
Here is the archive of the first post: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2001-January/000000.html
Wikipedia-l was initially used for all discussions relating to Wikipedia, including technical and organisational issues. It has now been replaced by wikitech-l, wikien-l and foundation-l. Foundation-l did in fact take a while to catch on, but now that it has, wikipedia-l is left with no role. Even discussions which affect only the Wikipedia editions and not other Wikimedia projects today find their place on other lists.
I hope that Wikipedia-l will not be deleted, as nupedia-l was, so that the archives will remain easily accessible for people who are interested in Wikipedia's history.
-- Tim Starling
Hoi, There is no way that I would consider the wikien-l as the obvious place to read about things specific to Wikipedia in general. When people mistake the English language wikipedia mailing list for just that, they will miss out on the people that are involved in the "other" wikipedias.. Yes, I know some will think what other Wikipediashttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias ... Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
joyce wrote:
I had even forgotten I had subscribed. No offense, but what WAS wikipedia-l created to do?
Wikipedia-l was created on January 22, 2001, a week after the creation of the Wikipedia website. Its purpose was to provide a place for Wikipedia-specific discussions, as an alternative to the Nupedia list which was in use for Wikipedia-related discussions before that date.
Here is the archive of the first post: <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2001-January/000000.html
Wikipedia-l was initially used for all discussions relating to Wikipedia, including technical and organisational issues. It has now been replaced by wikitech-l, wikien-l and foundation-l. Foundation-l did in fact take a while to catch on, but now that it has, wikipedia-l is left with no role. Even discussions which affect only the Wikipedia editions and not other Wikimedia projects today find their place on other lists.
I hope that Wikipedia-l will not be deleted, as nupedia-l was, so that the archives will remain easily accessible for people who are interested in Wikipedia's history.
-- Tim Starling
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2008/3/13, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, There is no way that I would consider the wikien-l as the obvious place to read about things specific to Wikipedia in general. When people mistake the English language wikipedia mailing list for just that, they will miss out on the people that are involved in the "other" wikipedias.. Yes, I know some will think what other Wikipediashttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias ...
Uh, there is an English Wikipedia?? Didn't know that.
;p
Th.
Hoi, What Tim was saying is that the wikien-l is where things Wikipedia are discussed. Obviously I know this and it is as should be as obvious that what is said on this list is only of relevance to the English Wikipedia. The foundaiton-l is not the place to discuss things that are of relevance to Wikipedia, hence the name. Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Thomas Goldammer thogol@googlemail.com wrote:
2008/3/13, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, There is no way that I would consider the wikien-l as the obvious place
to
read about things specific to Wikipedia in general. When people mistake
the
English language wikipedia mailing list for just that, they will miss
out on
the people that are involved in the "other" wikipedias.. Yes, I know
some
will think what other Wikipediashttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias ...
Uh, there is an English Wikipedia?? Didn't know that.
;p
Th.
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I guess it just indicates that since the Foundation has broadened its scope so much, there's less of a focus on inter-language issues on Wikipedia, and more on all projects (of which Wikipedia is just one). Each Wikipedia (to an extent) sets its own policy, and with the rise of Commons, OTRS and the implementation of stewards, there's little interwiki content/issues (apart from press) which is relevant to the Wikipedia projects in isolation from the other projects.
Plus WikiEN-l has cooler list admins. ;)
~Mark Ryan
There is no way that I would consider the wikien-l as the obvious place to read about things specific to Wikipedia in general.
I think the reason nothing happens on this list is that there aren't many issues which affect multiple Wikipedia projects without affecting non-Wikipedia projects. There are some, certainly, but not many.
On 13/03/2008, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
I hope that Wikipedia-l will not be deleted, as nupedia-l was, so that the archives will remain easily accessible for people who are interested in Wikipedia's history.
Oh, really? Does no-one have an archive of nupedia-l for the scholars to pore over?
(We could link it from Nostalgia Wikipedia ;-) )
- d.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/03/2008, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
I hope that Wikipedia-l will not be deleted, as nupedia-l was, so that
the
archives will remain easily accessible for people who are interested in Wikipedia's history.
Oh, really? Does no-one have an archive of nupedia-l for the scholars to pore over?
(We could link it from Nostalgia Wikipedia ;-) )
Joseph Reagle is such a scholar, and maintains such an archive: http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/method/nupedia-l-archives :-)
Cormac
I think everybody's migrated to Foundation-l.
On 12/03/2008, joyce joyce@sicpress.com wrote:
I had even forgotten I had subscribed. No offense, but what WAS wikipedia-l created to do?
j godsey
Mark Ryan wrote:
Well, at least we know wikipedia-l is still working, just that nobody is bothering to post to it any more...
~Mark Ryan
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Hoi, Sad isn't it that Foundation-l as a consequence does not have the utility it should have and consequently too much of the Wikipedia noise? Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
I think everybody's migrated to Foundation-l.
On 12/03/2008, joyce joyce@sicpress.com wrote:
I had even forgotten I had subscribed. No offense, but what WAS wikipedia-l created to do?
j godsey
Mark Ryan wrote:
Well, at least we know wikipedia-l is still working, just that nobody is bothering to post to it any more...
~Mark Ryan
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Agreed. For example, that thing about the 10 ideas for the Swedish Wikipedia really belongs more here than at Foundation-l...
On 13/03/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Sad isn't it that Foundation-l as a consequence does not have the utility it should have and consequently too much of the Wikipedia noise? Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
I think everybody's migrated to Foundation-l.
On 12/03/2008, joyce joyce@sicpress.com wrote:
I had even forgotten I had subscribed. No offense, but what WAS wikipedia-l created to do?
j godsey
Mark Ryan wrote:
Well, at least we know wikipedia-l is still working, just that nobody is bothering to post to it any more...
~Mark Ryan
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On 13/03/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Sad isn't it that Foundation-l as a consequence does not have the utility it should have and consequently too much of the Wikipedia noise? Thanks, GerardM
It makes a lot of sense to me that a list with the name "foundation-l" will be used for WMF matters and a list with the name "wikipedia-l" will be used for matters that are relevant for all language editions of Wikipedia.
I am active on three language editions of Wikipedia (en, he, ru), and also lurk on several others (be-x-old, es, ca, it) and i am sometimes frustrated by the lack of cooperation and significantly different policies. People raise an eyebrow when i try, for example, to propose a deletion of an article in several Wikipedias or go an extra mile to harmonize inter-language links manually when bots misbehave.
I think that "Wikipedia-L" would be a good forum for such things.
Fascinating, list spam. I thought the list was moderated!
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On Wednesday 12 March 2008 21:46, FastLizard4 wrote:
Fascinating, list spam. I thought the list was moderated!
dan.bolser@gmail.com wrote:
Assuming this Dan Bolser is someone whose posts have been approved in the past...
A lot of these networking web sites have a feature where you can send invitations out to your entire address book. It's quite possible that this individual had wikipedia-l in his address book and forgot it when he sent out a mass invitation.
Really, calling it "spam" is inappropriate, given this. In all likelihood, it was just an honest mistake.
Surprisingly, the seventh google result for Dan Bolser is an archive of this same post on foundation-l...
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Maxwell Weber kmw@armory.com wrote:
On Wednesday 12 March 2008 21:46, FastLizard4 wrote:
Fascinating, list spam. I thought the list was moderated!
dan.bolser@gmail.com wrote:
Assuming this Dan Bolser is someone whose posts have been approved in the past...
A lot of these networking web sites have a feature where you can send invitations out to your entire address book. It's quite possible that this individual had wikipedia-l in his address book and forgot it when he sent out a mass invitation.
Really, calling it "spam" is inappropriate, given this. In all likelihood, it was just an honest mistake. -- Kurt Weber kmw@armory.com
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On 13/03/2008, Kurt Maxwell Weber kmw@armory.com wrote:
A lot of these networking web sites have a feature where you can send invitations out to your entire address book. It's quite possible that this individual had wikipedia-l in his address book and forgot it when he sent out a mass invitation. Really, calling it "spam" is inappropriate, given this. In all likelihood, it was just an honest mistake.
Of course. When I spoke of "spamminess", I meant the company encouraging this sort of thing. It's very far from best practice.
- d.
Sorry everyone!
Don't trust the internet!!! - It steals your address book and does nasty things with it!
Dan.
On 13/03/2008, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/03/2008, Kurt Maxwell Weber kmw@armory.com wrote:
A lot of these networking web sites have a feature where you can send invitations out to your entire address book. It's quite possible that this individual had wikipedia-l in his address book and forgot it when he sent out a mass invitation. Really, calling it "spam" is inappropriate, given this. In all likelihood, it was just an honest mistake.
Of course. When I spoke of "spamminess", I meant the company encouraging this sort of thing. It's very far from best practice.
- d.
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I got this same email directly sent to my address as well, from the same sender.
en:user:xaosflux
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Fascinating, list spam. I thought the list was moderated!
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