Hello,
The recent conversion to the no-subpage policy has created a problem with editing those pages that describe whole independent universes. This first came to my mind in relation to [[Middle Earth]], but it is also relevant to pages such as [[Star Wars]], [[Star Trek]] and possibly other pages.
Since this involves a policy issue as well as a technical one, I wanted to discuss it in Wikipedia-L before I (or someone else) began to write lengthy patches.
The problem is in the following: it is extremely inconvenient (as a policy) to write "[[Middle Earth/Elrond|Elrond]] was the lord of [[Middle Earth/Rivendell|Rivendell]]" than it is to write "[[Elrond]] was the lord of [[Rivendell]]"
I could think of several solutions to this problem: * Remove the [[Middle Earth/]] part (e.g. [[Elrond]] instead of [[Middle Earth/Elrond]]. But this would not only add fictional content to the generally real-world encyclopedia but also confuse the readers (think about [[USS Enterprise]]!) * Creating a new namespace (e.g. [[Middle Earth:Elrond]]). But that would not automatically solve the linking problem, and would generally contradict the way namespaces are used now (the division being functional and not content-oriented). * Creating a new Middle Earth wiki. Although it would solve most of the problems above, that would require too much effort and make linking with the "main" Wikipedia more difficult.
The solution which I would personally prefer is to add another addressing mode to the Wiki links.For example, we could add a #base directive after which all links except escaped ones would receive a certain prefix. For example:
#base [[Middle Earth/]] [[!JRR Tolkien]] wrote that [[Elrond]] was the lord of Rivendell.
The link with the prefixing "!" would not be affected. However after the #base directive, [[Elrond]] will automatically become [[Middle Earth/Elrond]].
What do you think about it? Could this be implemented or there's another (easier) solution?
Sincerely yours, Uri Yanover
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] No-subpage policy makes editing [[Middle Earth]] difficult
I apologize for accidentially sending this message twice
Uri
Uri wrote:
I could think of several solutions to this problem:
- Remove the [[Middle Earth/]] part (e.g. [[Elrond]] instead of [[Middle Earth/Elrond]]. But this would not only add fictional content to the generally real-world encyclopedia but also confuse the readers (think about [[USS Enterprise]]!)
How bad would this be? Is it really a problem to have fictional contents in main entries? Aren't there already entries on [[Moses]], [[Zeus]], [[Big Bang]], and [[Phlogiston theory]]? Is any harm done? The article text would provide the context for the word: "In the books by [[JRR Tolkien]], the fictional character Elrond is described as..."
Is there anything else in the universe named Elrond? Do we have an ambiguity conflict here (like Java - island, coffee, or programming language)?
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