Roger wrote:
The German WP doesn't keep articles just because the subject is notable. If an article is too short, it will get deleted unless someone expands it (IIRC a time limit of a few days is quite common).
This is not correct. There are a number of two or three line articles that have been on the German Wikipedia for at least a year and nobody is planning to delete them. According to German WP deletion rules shortness doesn't justify a deletion and deletion is only a means of last resort ("letztes Mittel") if other measures fail. If it weren't that way, would we have almost 300,000 articles then?
Boris
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Boris Lohnzweiger wrote:
Roger wrote:
The German WP doesn't keep articles just because the subject is notable. If an article is too short, it will get deleted unless someone expands it (IIRC a time limit of a few days is quite common).
This is not correct. There are a number of two or three line articles that have been on the German Wikipedia for at least a year and nobody is planning to delete them. According to German WP deletion rules shortness doesn't justify a deletion and deletion is only a means of last resort ("letztes Mittel") if other measures fail. If it weren't that way, would we have almost 300,000 articles then?
The conclusion that I take away from this thread is that yes, each wikipedia has its own culture and preferred practices, and it would be extraordinarily useful to have articles describing all that. Even just a translated summary of distinctive policy pages would be helpful to people who are not fluent in the other WP's language. For instance, if I were interested in whether the Russian WP accepts "fair use" images, an English WP article on the Russian WP would probably be a more reliable way to find out than by posting an English-language question on the Russian equivalent of village pump.
Stan
Stan Shebs wrote:
Boris Lohnzweiger wrote:
Roger wrote:
The German WP doesn't keep articles just because the subject is notable. If an article is too short, it will get deleted unless someone expands it (IIRC a time limit of a few days is quite common).
This is not correct. There are a number of two or three line articles that have been on the German Wikipedia for at least a year and nobody is planning to delete them. According to German WP deletion rules shortness doesn't justify a deletion and deletion is only a means of last resort ("letztes Mittel") if other measures fail. If it weren't that way, would we have almost 300,000 articles then?
The conclusion that I take away from this thread is that yes, each wikipedia has its own culture and preferred practices, and it would be extraordinarily useful to have articles describing all that. Even just a translated summary of distinctive policy pages would be helpful to people who are not fluent in the other WP's language. For instance, if I were interested in whether the Russian WP accepts "fair use" images, an English WP article on the Russian WP would probably be a more reliable way to find out than by posting an English-language question on the Russian equivalent of village pump.
The perfect place for all this of course is on Meta :)
On 9/7/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Stan Shebs wrote:
The conclusion that I take away from this thread is that yes, each wikipedia has its own culture and preferred practices, and it would be extraordinarily useful to have articles describing all that. Even just a translated summary of distinctive policy pages would be helpful to people who are not fluent in the other WP's language. For instance, if I were interested in whether the Russian WP accepts "fair use" images, an English WP article on the Russian WP would probably be a more reliable way to find out than by posting an English-language question on the Russian equivalent of village pump.
The perfect place for all this of course is on Meta :)
I probably agree that this info should be on meta, but the main thing is that it exists. I have often wondered about what kinds of things individual language projects have faced in terms of problems/disputes and how they have resolved them. Or if any initiatives for collaboration, like the Balkan NPOV project, or any others have worked particularly well (or badly). Or if there is anything that the project has figured out that other projects might be interested in (like simplified vs ancient (?) chinese characters, for example). It would be great for this kind of information to get flowing around as much as the foundation stuff that has recently been discussed (on foundation-l). It might be a nice addition to Quarto, for example..
Cormac / en:Cormaggio
On 06/09/05, Stan Shebs shebs@apple.com wrote:
The conclusion that I take away from this thread is that yes, each wikipedia has its own culture and preferred practices, and it would be extraordinarily useful to have articles describing all that. Even just a translated summary of distinctive policy pages would be helpful to people who are not fluent in the other WP's language. For instance, if I were interested in whether the Russian WP accepts "fair use" images, an English WP article on the Russian WP would probably be a more reliable way to find out than by posting an English-language question on the Russian equivalent of village pump.
I've just - entirely by coincidence - encountered [[en:Japanese Wikipedia]]; I suspect this is pretty much an excellent example of what you want. Contains the usual history section - milestone articles, media coverage, awards - but also a "Characteristics" page, which tells us they don't accept fair use, they delete copyvios out of the history, and - interestingly - that "An article will be deleted if it countains the name of a private citizen unless they are a public figure."
The last is certainly one an external user wouldn't have expected, and this is the sort of thing these pages could be very useful for generally...
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:31:02 +0200, Boris Lohnzweiger wrote:
The German WP doesn't keep articles just because the subject is notable. If an article is too short, it will get deleted unless someone expands it (IIRC a time limit of a few days is quite common).
This is not correct. There are a number of two or three line articles that have been on the German Wikipedia for at least a year and nobody is planning to delete them. According to German WP deletion rules shortness doesn't justify a deletion and deletion is only a means of last resort ("letztes Mittel") if other measures fail. If it weren't that way, would we have almost 300,000 articles then?
You are correct that many short articles have remained in WP:de. However, short articles do get put up for deletion regularly based on that criterion.
The respective German guidelines are indeed written in a fairly similar spirit to the English ones. They don't seem to advocate the deletion of small stubs. But the folks who frequent [[de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten]] tend to have a different view.
I don't hang out on WP:de that often but if you deny that the German WP deletes article solely due to shortness you can't be a [[de:WP:LK]] regular, either.
Mind you, I'm not complaining. It is just something to keep in mind if you ever plan to write a stub for the German WP.
Roger
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