Hi
"enwikipedia.org" is really starting to annoy me now. There are hundreds more like that stealing Wikimedia traffic. Is the Wikimedia Foundation planning to do anything about domain parking infringing on their trademarks, or would it cost too much?
Andrew Archer
vvikipedia, anyone? (that's a v v, not a w)
I'm not really sure the foundation can do anything. I'm experienced with domain issues, and these are three of the most commonly followed options:
* Contact the owner of the domain (WHOIS record must be accurate per ICANN policy) and request transfer for a nominal sum * Contact the owner of the domain and demand transfer of the domain, possibly paying for minimal expenses * Contact the owner of the domain and demand transfer, threatening legal action and (preferably) citing some international law * Be evil and apply for an ICANN transfer, hoping that the owner has supplied false info to ICANN and therefore will not be notified about the transfer request, and once the period of a few weeks has passed the domain will be transferred to Wikimedia
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any ideas?
-- Akash/Draicone
On 9/12/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
"enwikipedia.org" is really starting to annoy me now. There are hundreds more like that stealing Wikimedia traffic. Is the Wikimedia Foundation planning to do anything about domain parking infringing on their trademarks, or would it cost too much?
Andrew Archer _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
I think the petition is the only way, I've heard it can get nasty. But stealing traffic from a free resource like ours is just not right.
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
vvikipedia, anyone? (that's a v v, not a w)
I'm not really sure the foundation can do anything. I'm experienced with domain issues, and these are three of the most commonly followed options:
- Contact the owner of the domain (WHOIS record must be accurate per
ICANN policy) and request transfer for a nominal sum
- Contact the owner of the domain and demand transfer of the domain,
possibly paying for minimal expenses
- Contact the owner of the domain and demand transfer, threatening
legal action and (preferably) citing some international law
- Be evil and apply for an ICANN transfer, hoping that the owner has
supplied false info to ICANN and therefore will not be notified about the transfer request, and once the period of a few weeks has passed the domain will be transferred to Wikimedia
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any ideas?
-- Akash/Draicone
On 9/12/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
"enwikipedia.org" is really starting to annoy me now. There are hundreds more like that stealing Wikimedia traffic. Is the Wikimedia Foundation planning to do anything about domain parking infringing on their
trademarks,
or would it cost too much?
Andrew Archer _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any ideas?
Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think it would be possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a parked domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the trouble?
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about I build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the petition? It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with reasonable database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a matter of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington michael.billington@gmail.com wrote:
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any ideas?
Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think it would be possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a parked domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the trouble? _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Oh, and a google i'm feeling lucky for 'wikpedia' returns [[Bruno Bettelheim]] :)
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about I build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the petition? It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with reasonable database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a matter of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington michael.billington@gmail.com wrote:
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any ideas?
Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think it would be possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a parked domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the trouble? _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and a google i'm feeling lucky for 'wikpedia' returns [[Bruno Bettelheim]] :)
Here, I'm feeling lucky opens as expected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about I build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the petition? It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with reasonable database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a matter of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington michael.billington@gmail.com wrote:
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any
ideas?
Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think it
would be
possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a parked domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the trouble? _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
I very much appreciate the discussion about problem domains.
It would benefit WMF greatly if we had the following:
-List of problem domains (is there a page?) -Petition engine to capture usernames against use of said domains
That will give us what we need to pursue action as laid out by Akash with a minimum of WMF resources having to dedicate time to it.
Thanks.
-Brad
On 9/12/06, Liviu Andronic landronimirc@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and a google i'm feeling lucky for 'wikpedia' returns [[Bruno Bettelheim]] :)
Here, I'm feeling lucky opens as expected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about I build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the petition? It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with reasonable database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a matter of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington michael.billington@gmail.com wrote:
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any
ideas?
Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think it
would be
possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a parked domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the
trouble?
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Liviu _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
I have the hosting capacities for a petition, and MySQL databases, but I'd probably need a little help setting up the system. However, I though Wikimedia servers could easily handle that.
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Brad Patrick bradp.wmf@gmail.com wrote:
I very much appreciate the discussion about problem domains.
It would benefit WMF greatly if we had the following:
-List of problem domains (is there a page?) -Petition engine to capture usernames against use of said domains
That will give us what we need to pursue action as laid out by Akash with a minimum of WMF resources having to dedicate time to it.
Thanks.
-Brad
On 9/12/06, Liviu Andronic landronimirc@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and a google i'm feeling lucky for 'wikpedia' returns [[Bruno Bettelheim]] :)
Here, I'm feeling lucky opens as expected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about I build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the
petition?
It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with reasonable database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a matter of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington michael.billington@gmail.com wrote:
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia
users
sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any
ideas?
Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think
it
would be
possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a parked domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the
trouble?
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Liviu _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Brad Patrick General Counsel & Interim Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. bradp.wmf@gmail.com 727-231-0101 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
The only real way to find the problem domains would be to go out and search for them manually I think. Maybe just a wiki list which people can add to?
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
I have the hosting capacities for a petition, and MySQL databases, but I'd probably need a little help setting up the system. However, I though Wikimedia servers could easily handle that.
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Brad Patrick bradp.wmf@gmail.com wrote:
I very much appreciate the discussion about problem domains.
It would benefit WMF greatly if we had the following:
-List of problem domains (is there a page?) -Petition engine to capture usernames against use of said domains
That will give us what we need to pursue action as laid out by Akash with a minimum of WMF resources having to dedicate time to it.
Thanks.
-Brad
On 9/12/06, Liviu Andronic < landronimirc@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and a google i'm feeling lucky for 'wikpedia' returns [[Bruno Bettelheim]] :)
Here, I'm feeling lucky opens as expected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta < draicone@gmail.com> wrote:
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about
I
build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the
petition?
It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with
reasonable
database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a
matter
of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington < michael.billington@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia
users
> sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any
ideas?
> Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think
it
would be
possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a
parked
domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the
trouble?
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Liviu _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Brad Patrick General Counsel & Interim Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. bradp.wmf@gmail.com 727-231-0101 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
On 12/09/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
The only real way to find the problem domains would be to go out and search for them manually I think. Maybe just a wiki list which people can add to?
Sounds reasonable. Is it possible to search domain space, regexp or iteratively?
Whatever happens - people shouldn't act on dodgy domains without Brad's say so. Vigilanteing would be a bad idea.
- d.
Hi all, there's a small list here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Domain_names#Typosquatted
Such a list definitely deserves its own page though.
On 9/13/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/09/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
The only real way to find the problem domains would be to go out and search for them manually I think. Maybe just a wiki list which people can add to?
Sounds reasonable. Is it possible to search domain space, regexp or iteratively?
Whatever happens - people shouldn't act on dodgy domains without Brad's say so. Vigilanteing would be a bad idea.
How about starting a list on Meta, then putting a call out on "Goings-on"?
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Lorenzarius lorenzarius@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, there's a small list here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Domain_names#Typosquatted
Such a list definitely deserves its own page though.
On 9/13/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/09/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
The only real way to find the problem domains would be to go out and
search
for them manually I think. Maybe just a wiki list which people can add
to?
Sounds reasonable. Is it possible to search domain space, regexp or
iteratively?
Whatever happens - people shouldn't act on dodgy domains without Brad's say so. Vigilanteing would be a bad idea.
-- Larry Lo http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lorenzarius Tel: +852 95825791 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Squatted_Wikimedia_domains
I just copied the list from [[m:Domain names]], could tidy up the format more.
On 9/13/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
How about starting a list on Meta, then putting a call out on "Goings-on"?
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Lorenzarius lorenzarius@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, there's a small list here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Domain_names#Typosquatted
Such a list definitely deserves its own page though.
On 9/13/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/09/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
The only real way to find the problem domains would be to go out and
search
for them manually I think. Maybe just a wiki list which people can add
to?
Sounds reasonable. Is it possible to search domain space, regexp or
iteratively?
Whatever happens - people shouldn't act on dodgy domains without Brad's say so. Vigilanteing would be a bad idea.
-- Larry Lo http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lorenzarius Tel: +852 95825791 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Looking good! Now what would we do about domain holders who have got a private registration rather than published their details on the WHOIS?
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Lorenzarius lorenzarius@gmail.com wrote:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Squatted_Wikimedia_domains
I just copied the list from [[m:Domain names]], could tidy up the format more.
On 9/13/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
How about starting a list on Meta, then putting a call out on
"Goings-on"?
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Lorenzarius lorenzarius@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, there's a small list here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Domain_names#Typosquatted
Such a list definitely deserves its own page though.
On 9/13/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/09/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
The only real way to find the problem domains would be to go out
and
search
for them manually I think. Maybe just a wiki list which people can
add
to?
Sounds reasonable. Is it possible to search domain space, regexp or
iteratively?
Whatever happens - people shouldn't act on dodgy domains without Brad's say so. Vigilanteing would be a bad idea.
-- Larry Lo http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lorenzarius Tel: +852 95825791 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Larry Lo http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lorenzarius Tel: +852 95825791 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
The point of a WHOIS record is that domain owners can be contacted. Whether its through their personal phone number or a domain registrar, we can (well, we legally should be able to) contact domain owners.
On 9/13/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
Looking good! Now what would we do about domain holders who have got a private registration rather than published their details on the WHOIS?
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Lorenzarius lorenzarius@gmail.com wrote:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Squatted_Wikimedia_domains
I just copied the list from [[m:Domain names]], could tidy up the format more.
On 9/13/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
How about starting a list on Meta, then putting a call out on
"Goings-on"?
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Lorenzarius lorenzarius@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, there's a small list here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Domain_names#Typosquatted
Such a list definitely deserves its own page though.
On 9/13/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/09/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
The only real way to find the problem domains would be to go out
and
search
for them manually I think. Maybe just a wiki list which people can
add
to?
Sounds reasonable. Is it possible to search domain space, regexp or
iteratively?
Whatever happens - people shouldn't act on dodgy domains without Brad's say so. Vigilanteing would be a bad idea.
-- Larry Lo http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lorenzarius Tel: +852 95825791 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Larry Lo http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lorenzarius Tel: +852 95825791 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
On 9/12/06, Lorenzarius lorenzarius@gmail.com wrote:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Squatted_Wikimedia_domains
I just copied the list from [[m:Domain names]], could tidy up the format more.
Just for the record. Mentionning those domains in a "readable" format gives them traffic.
Listing people as "squatters" just like that is a dangerous game, because people who just have the domains, are potential friends and forgot to connect them might not like being called a *squatter* (and I know what I am talking about, we almost lost one of our important domain extension because the guy who bought it was called a "squatter" constantly on our lists - he was not).
In the end, I personally do not believe that making all this noise is the solution, because it only comforts real squatters in their conviction that squatting "wikipe-somethingorother.stuff" domains is a great idea. Not something we are particularly looking for.
And to finish, as Ray points out, there is no way the Foundation will ever have the means to take every single domain/extension that sounds or looks or even is one of their trademarks.
Listing those somewhere is also very tempting for squatters...
Delphine
This won't solve it completely, but I think at least some of the less experienced squatters would give up immediately after an email from the Foundation, just to avoid the threat of further trouble. But at the end of the day, why should the Foundation let people steal their trademarks and traffic? Those that have the domains will probably not be looking to give them up, so the idea being reinforced wouldn't really be an issue.
Andrew Archer
On 13/09/06, Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/12/06, Lorenzarius lorenzarius@gmail.com wrote:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Squatted_Wikimedia_domains
I just copied the list from [[m:Domain names]], could tidy up the format
more.
Just for the record. Mentionning those domains in a "readable" format gives them traffic.
Listing people as "squatters" just like that is a dangerous game, because people who just have the domains, are potential friends and forgot to connect them might not like being called a *squatter* (and I know what I am talking about, we almost lost one of our important domain extension because the guy who bought it was called a "squatter" constantly on our lists - he was not).
In the end, I personally do not believe that making all this noise is the solution, because it only comforts real squatters in their conviction that squatting "wikipe-somethingorother.stuff" domains is a great idea. Not something we are particularly looking for.
And to finish, as Ray points out, there is no way the Foundation will ever have the means to take every single domain/extension that sounds or looks or even is one of their trademarks.
Listing those somewhere is also very tempting for squatters...
Delphine
-- ~notafish _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Yes, but the Wikimedia servers have a lot of load. I'd be happy to code the system, I'm an experienced php dev and its a small project.
On 9/13/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
I have the hosting capacities for a petition, and MySQL databases, but I'd probably need a little help setting up the system. However, I though Wikimedia servers could easily handle that.
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, Brad Patrick bradp.wmf@gmail.com wrote:
I very much appreciate the discussion about problem domains.
It would benefit WMF greatly if we had the following:
-List of problem domains (is there a page?) -Petition engine to capture usernames against use of said domains
That will give us what we need to pursue action as laid out by Akash with a minimum of WMF resources having to dedicate time to it.
Thanks.
-Brad
On 9/12/06, Liviu Andronic landronimirc@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and a google i'm feeling lucky for 'wikpedia' returns [[Bruno Bettelheim]] :)
Here, I'm feeling lucky opens as expected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about I build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the
petition?
It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with reasonable database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a matter of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington michael.billington@gmail.com wrote:
> > You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia
users
> sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any
ideas?
> Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think
it
would be
possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a parked domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the
trouble?
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Liviu _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Brad Patrick General Counsel & Interim Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. bradp.wmf@gmail.com 727-231-0101 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
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At what point do we become subject to the law of diminishing returns? The possible variations on our different wikinames, national domains and undotted language codes could rapidly get completely out of hand.
If a person cybersquats one of these names with malicious intent it's hard to imagine that he will be impressed by a petition with 1,000 signatures. Even when we manage to wrest one of these names away there comes a point where the cumulative burden of keeping all these names protected is just not cost effective.
Ec
Brad Patrick wrote:
I very much appreciate the discussion about problem domains.
It would benefit WMF greatly if we had the following:
-List of problem domains (is there a page?) -Petition engine to capture usernames against use of said domains
That will give us what we need to pursue action as laid out by Akash with a minimum of WMF resources having to dedicate time to it.
Thanks.
-Brad
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about I build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the petition? It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with reasonable database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a matter of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington michael.billington@gmail.com wrote:
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any ideas?
Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think it would be
possible to drum up a thousand or so.
Just about every time I've typed "wikipedia" wrong, i get a parked domain.... so it is an annoying problem, but is it worth the trouble?
"Ray Saintonge" wrote:
At what point do we become subject to the law of diminishing returns? The possible variations on our different wikinames, national domains and undotted language codes could rapidly get completely out of hand.
If a person cybersquats one of these names with malicious intent it's hard to imagine that he will be impressed by a petition with 1,000 signatures. Even when we manage to wrest one of these names away there comes a point where the cumulative burden of keeping all these names protected is just not cost effective.
Ec
Even worse, i'd warn you that this can attract more people to cybersquatting our domains, as we will be publicising this subject.
I don't entirely understand the difficulty - surely the WMF has some kind of trademark over the Wikipedia name, which would allow them to forbid others to use it? I'm no lawyer, but I don't see why we would need to bother with a petition.
David
On 12/09/06, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
"Ray Saintonge" wrote:
At what point do we become subject to the law of diminishing returns? The possible variations on our different wikinames, national domains and undotted language codes could rapidly get completely out of hand.
If a person cybersquats one of these names with malicious intent it's hard to imagine that he will be impressed by a petition with 1,000 signatures. Even when we manage to wrest one of these names away there comes a point where the cumulative burden of keeping all these names protected is just not cost effective.
Ec
Even worse, i'd warn you that this can attract more people to cybersquatting our domains, as we will be publicising this subject.
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Domain name complaints are really nasty and costly, especially if they fight it.
Petitions are free.
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, David Mestel david.mestel@gmail.com wrote:
I don't entirely understand the difficulty - surely the WMF has some kind of trademark over the Wikipedia name, which would allow them to forbid others to use it? I'm no lawyer, but I don't see why we would need to bother with a petition.
David
On 12/09/06, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
"Ray Saintonge" wrote:
At what point do we become subject to the law of diminishing returns? The possible variations on our different wikinames, national domains
and
undotted language codes could rapidly get completely out of hand.
If a person cybersquats one of these names with malicious intent it's hard to imagine that he will be impressed by a petition with 1,000 signatures. Even when we manage to wrest one of these names away
there
comes a point where the cumulative burden of keeping all these names protected is just not cost effective.
Ec
Even worse, i'd warn you that this can attract more people to
cybersquatting
our domains, as we will be publicising this subject.
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Ah, good point. But I would have thought that if the WMF does own the trademark, the case is fairly clear-cut, so they wouldn't bother to defend it - but that's probably just my legal naivety...
Petitions make good evidence of community support for WMF action.
On 9/12/06, David Mestel david.mestel@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, good point. But I would have thought that if the WMF does own the trademark, the case is fairly clear-cut, so they wouldn't bother to defend it - but that's probably just my legal naivety...
-- David
On 12/09/06, Andrew Archer archer.andy@gmail.com wrote:
Domain name complaints are really nasty and costly, especially if they
fight
it.
Petitions are free.
Andrew Archer
On 12/09/06, David Mestel david.mestel@gmail.com wrote:
I don't entirely understand the difficulty - surely the WMF has some kind of trademark over the Wikipedia name, which would allow them to forbid others to use it? I'm no lawyer, but I don't see why we would need to bother with a petition.
David
On 12/09/06, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
"Ray Saintonge" wrote:
At what point do we become subject to the law of diminishing
returns?
The possible variations on our different wikinames, national
domains
and
undotted language codes could rapidly get completely out of hand.
If a person cybersquats one of these names with malicious intent
it's
hard to imagine that he will be impressed by a petition with 1,000 signatures. Even when we manage to wrest one of these names away
there
comes a point where the cumulative burden of keeping all these
names
protected is just not cost effective.
Ec
Even worse, i'd warn you that this can attract more people to
cybersquatting
our domains, as we will be publicising this subject.
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On 12/09/06, Brad Patrick bradp.wmf@gmail.com wrote:
I very much appreciate the discussion about problem domains.
It would benefit WMF greatly if we had the following:
-List of problem domains (is there a page?) -Petition engine to capture usernames against use of said domains
That will give us what we need to pursue action as laid out by Akash with a minimum of WMF resources having to dedicate time to it.
I can't face looking at the various .org, .net, etc. domains just now, but I've made a first pass at sorting out the list of known ccTLDs -
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Domain_names#National_domains_.28ccTLDs.29
Some of these are unregistered; quite a few are inactive or holding pages; at least three are pretty clear squatters.
(As an aside, I note that Bomis owns wikipedia.co.uk, but this is currently inactive - could we poke someone to get this up again? Redirecting to the portal at wikimedia.co.uk would be great...)
Andrew Gray wrote:
I can't face looking at the various .org, .net, etc. domains just now, but I've made a first pass at sorting out the list of known ccTLDs -
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Domain_names#National_domains_.28ccTLDs.29
Some of these are unregistered; quite a few are inactive or holding pages; at least three are pretty clear squatters.
I noticed that wikiversity doesn't appear anywhere on the list; I presume this is an oversight.
Ec
It does, lucky enough. Frankly I wasn't sure that the googlebombing of sorts amounted to [[Main Page]] having the most inbound links.
-- Akash/Draicone
On 9/12/06, Liviu Andronic landronimirc@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and a google i'm feeling lucky for 'wikpedia' returns [[Bruno Bettelheim]] :)
Here, I'm feeling lucky opens as expected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.
On 9/12/06, Akash Mehta draicone@gmail.com wrote:
A thousand? I can guarantee a whole lot more than 1000. How about I build a prototype site to handle the petition where people can register their Wikipedia username as someone supporting the petition? It wouldn't be too hard, and if we can find hosting with reasonable database space, we can build it, post about it on village pump / community portal / whatever else. I bet we can get 10000 in a matter of weeks.
On 9/12/06, Michael Billington michael.billington@gmail.com wrote:
You could also come up with a petition, having all Wikipedia users sign it, and present it to domain owners. Anyone else have any
ideas?
Having all wikipedia users would be near-impossible, but I think it
would be
possible to drum up a thousand or so.
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