[Wikipedia-l] Page history is good.

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Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brion Vibber &lt;vibber(a)aludra.usc.edu&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions --> authors/editors To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, [iso-8859-1] Chuck Smith wrote: does the I would find that utterly confusing; I would expect such a link to show simply a list of individual editors, and would not click on it when trying to see what the last three changes were. But then, I preferred the original label, "History". -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:39:50 -0500 From: Lee Daniel Crocker &lt;lee(a)piclab.com&gt; To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions --> authors/editors Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org I believe it used to say "Article history" which would cover both uses. I don't when it changed. -- Lee Daniel Crocker &lt;lee(a)piclab.com&gt; <http://www.piclab.com/lee/> "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Axel Boldt &lt;axelboldt(a)yahoo.com&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] GFDL on printable version To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org --- tarquin &lt;tarquin(a)planetunreal.com&gt; wrote: of printable

I think the GFDL needs to be mentioned, and it would also be nice to show the stable URL http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_Form rather than the internal one given above. Axel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brion Vibber &lt;vibber(a)aludra.usc.edu&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] GFDL on printable version To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Axel Boldt wrote: would also be nice to Another issue is whether we should have a stable URL that goes to _that particular_ revision. This is something people have requested for purposes of citing Wikipedia articles in bibliographies, etc, where part of the point is that people can check your citations to see if you quoted or interpreted them accurately. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:55:31 -0500 From: Lee Daniel Crocker &lt;lee(a)piclab.com&gt; To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] GFDL on printable version Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org > (Brion Vibber &lt;vibber(a)aludra.usc.edu&gt;)u>): > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Axel Boldt wrote: > would also be nice to URL that goes to people have requested for bibliographies, etc, where part citations to see if you quoted I think we'll want static-looking URLs for citable revisions, so I'd suggest:

which gets redirected to

That shouldn't be too hard to implement. -- Lee Daniel Crocker &lt;lee(a)piclab.com&gt; <http://www.piclab.com/lee/> "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:26:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Engels &lt;engels(a)uni-koblenz.de&gt; To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions --> authors/editors Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Lee Daniel Crocker wrote: would cover It was changed by eloquence on November 12; according to his comment this was "as discussed on wikipedia-l". He made a message on November 11, saying he was making a number of changes, and asking for comments. From his proposals: history" to be more concept of article Andre Engels --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: 15 Apr 2003 03:44:00 +0200 From: erik_moeller(a)gmx.de (Erik Moeller) To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions --> authors/editors Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org wrote: does the expect such a link to show click on it when But then, I preferred the I agree that "Authors" doesn't help much. I think a less ambiguous term like "Version history" would be best. Consider you're in an article about World War II which you found via Google -- now what do you expect to find behind a "History" link? Regards, Erik --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:51:50 +0100 From: tarquin &lt;tarquin(a)planetunreal.com&gt; To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions --> authors/editors Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Erik Moeller wrote: wrote: does the less ambiguous term you're in an article about do you expect to find lol! indeed! "page history" is probably clearest. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:15:26 -0700 From: Jimmy Wales &lt;jwales(a)bomis.com&gt; To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions --> authors/editors Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org > history" to be more > concept of article > It sounds like "Page history" would satisfy everyone, then? --Jimbo