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1. older versions --> authors/editors
(=?iso-8859-1?q?Chuck=20Smith?=)
2. Re: older versions --> authors/editors (Brion
Vibber)
3. Re: older versions --> authors/editors (Lee
Daniel Crocker)
4. Re: GFDL on printable version (Axel Boldt)
5. Re: GFDL on printable version (Brion Vibber)
6. Re: GFDL on printable version (Lee Daniel
Crocker)
7. Re: older versions --> authors/editors (Andre
Engels)
8. Re: older versions --> authors/editors (Erik
Moeller)
9. Re: older versions --> authors/editors
(tarquin)
10. Re: older versions --> authors/editors (Jimmy
Wales)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:32:37 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chuck=20Smith?=
<msochuck(a)yahoo.com>
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] older versions -->
authors/editors
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
What would you think of changing the text "Older
Versions" to "Authors/Editors" because this page
does
indeed show which authors and editors worked on the
article. This would make it easier for people at
the
Esperanto Wikipedia to see if they trust the
writers.
For example, two of our most active Wikipedians have
even written Esperanto grammar books, so people
would
know that what they've written is probably more
authoritative than what others have written. Also,
many newbies to Wikipedia don't realize how they can
find the authors and editors of an article and this
would make that clearer.
...if the people at the English Wikipedia don't like
this idea, we could just change the translation of
the
Esperanto interface from "Malnovaj versioj" to
"Auxtoroj/Redaktantoj".
Thanks,
Chuck
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:39:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brion Vibber <vibber(a)aludra.usc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions -->
authors/editors
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, [iso-8859-1] Chuck Smith wrote:
What would you think of changing the text
"Older
Versions" to "Authors/Editors" because this page
does
indeed show which authors and editors worked on
the
article.
I would find that utterly confusing; I would expect
such a link to show
simply a list of individual editors, and would not
click on it when
trying to see what the last three changes were. But
then, I preferred the
original label, "History".
-- brion vibber (brion @
pobox.com)
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:39:50 -0500
From: Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com>
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions -->
authors/editors
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
(Chuck Smith <msochuck(a)yahoo.com>)m>):
What would you think of changing the text "Older
Versions" to "Authors/Editors" ...
I believe it used to say "Article history" which
would cover
both uses. I don't when it changed.
--
Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com>
<http://www.piclab.com/lee/>
"All inventions or works of authorship original to
me, herein and past,
are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may
be used or modified
for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or
notification."--LDC
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Axel Boldt <axelboldt(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] GFDL on printable version
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
--- tarquin <tarquin(a)planetunreal.com> wrote:
should we (briefly) mention the GFDL at the foot
of printable
versions?
Currently says:
/Retrieved from
"http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Backus-Naur_Form"
It was last
modified 10:26 Apr 14, 2003./
I think the GFDL needs to be mentioned, and it would
also be nice to
show the stable URL
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_Form
rather than the internal one given above.
Axel
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brion Vibber <vibber(a)aludra.usc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] GFDL on printable version
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Axel Boldt wrote:
I think the GFDL needs to be mentioned, and it
would also be nice to
show the stable URL
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_Form
rather than the internal one given above.
Another issue is whether we should have a stable URL
that goes to
_that particular_ revision. This is something people
have requested for
purposes of citing Wikipedia articles in
bibliographies, etc, where part
of the point is that people can check your citations
to see if you quoted
or interpreted them accurately.
-- brion vibber (brion @
pobox.com)
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:55:31 -0500
From: Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com>
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] GFDL on printable version
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
> (Brion Vibber <vibber(a)aludra.usc.edu>)u>):
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Axel Boldt wrote:
>
I think the GFDL needs to be mentioned, and
it
would also be nice to
show the
stable URL
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_Form
rather than the internal one given above.
Another issue is whether we should have a stable
URL that goes to
_that particular_ revision. This is something
people have requested for
purposes of citing Wikipedia articles in
bibliographies, etc, where part
of the point is that people can check your
citations to see if you quoted
or interpreted them accurately.
-- brion vibber (brion @
pobox.com)
I think we'll want static-looking URLs for citable
revisions,
so I'd suggest:
http://www.wikipedia.org/cite/20021215024500/Backus-Naur_Form
which gets redirected to
.../oldrev.phtml?title=Backus-Naur_Form&time=20021215024500
That shouldn't be too hard to implement.
--
Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com>
<http://www.piclab.com/lee/>
"All inventions or works of authorship original to
me, herein and past,
are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may
be used or modified
for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or
notification."--LDC
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:26:47 +0200 (CEST)
From: Andre Engels <engels(a)uni-koblenz.de>
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions -->
authors/editors
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Lee Daniel Crocker wrote:
(Chuck
Smith <msochuck(a)yahoo.com>)m>):
What would you think of changing the text "Older
Versions" to "Authors/Editors" ...
I believe it used to say "Article history" which
would cover
both uses. I don't when it changed.
It was changed by eloquence on November 12;
according to his comment this
was "as discussed on wikipedia-l". He made a message
on November 11, saying
he was making a number of changes, and asking for
comments. From his
proposals:
- "History" should be "Older
versions" or "Page
history" to be more
obvious. Most people are not familiar with the
concept of article
histories.
Andre Engels
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Message: 8
Date: 15 Apr 2003 03:44:00 +0200
From: erik_moeller(a)gmx.de (Erik Moeller)
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions -->
authors/editors
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, [iso-8859-1] Chuck Smith
wrote:
> What would you think of changing the text
"Older
> Versions" to "Authors/Editors" because this page
does
> indeed show which authors and editors worked
on
the
> article.
I would find that utterly confusing; I would
expect such a link to show
simply a list of individual editors, and would
not
click on it when
trying to see what the last three changes were.
But then, I preferred the
original label, "History".
I agree that "Authors" doesn't help much. I think a
less ambiguous term
like "Version history" would be best. Consider
you're in an article about
World War II which you found via Google -- now what
do you expect to find
behind a "History" link?
Regards,
Erik
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:51:50 +0100
From: tarquin <tarquin(a)planetunreal.com>
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions -->
authors/editors
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Erik Moeller wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, [iso-8859-1] Chuck Smith
wrote:
>
>
>>What would you think of changing the text "Older
>>Versions" to "Authors/Editors" because this page
does
>>indeed show which authors and editors
worked on
the
>article.
>
>
I agree that "Authors" doesn't help much. I think a
less ambiguous
term
like "Version history" would be best.
Consider
you're in an article about
World War II which you found via Google -- now
what
do you expect to find
behind a "History" link?
lol! indeed!
"page history" is probably clearest.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:15:26 -0700
From: Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com>
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] older versions -->
authors/editors
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
>
- "History" should be "Older
versions" or "Page
history" to be more
>
obvious. Most people are not familiar with
the
concept of article
>
histories.
It sounds like "Page history" would satisfy
everyone, then?
--Jimbo
Sounds good. Then, the Esperanto translation would be
simply "Pagxa historio".
Thanks,
Chuck
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