I don't see how the status quo has hurt anyone, if you don't count
people's egos.
Some people may claim it is "an insult to Moldovans everywhere", but
that claim doesn't hold much credence.
Given that we now have two opposing votes -- the first vote, for this
Wikipedia to be closed, and the second, for it to stay open -- I think
we have an outstanding mandate in favour of the status quo.
This Wikipedia was created, and nobody can seem to agree on whether to
close it or not.
Some people might argue that it should be closed, but I don't think
there's a single reasonable argument that it _needs_ to be closed
_now_.
Francis, would you disagree with this? Certainly, you may believe that
the Wikipedia will never amount to anything, or that it shouldn't be
open, but do you honestly think it *needs* closing?
In its current form, the only problem it ever actually caused, was to
anger some Romanians (and a handful of Moldovans), who eventually in
their turn angered some Russians and Serbians (and a Moldovan or two).
Despite your belief that I am outright lying to you, we have had
native-speaking contributors, although we don't have any at the moment
(well, Vania Tractoristu did correct a single spelling mistake on a
page yesterday, but I don't know if we can count that).
They are:
Oleg Alexandrov (made some corrections)
Vertaler (made many, many corrections)
Elnoel (only IP contributions, I believe, although he does have a
registered username)
Dmitriid (made some corrections)
There are other native speakers, but none of them, to my knowledge,
ever actually helped any, with the exception of a single recent
contribution from Vania Tractoristu, despite our tractorist's stated
desire to blow the Wikipedia to oblivion.
Mark
On 24/06/06, Francis Tyers <spectre(a)ivixor.net> wrote:
Agree with this statement. Absurd vote stacking on
both sides has left
us with this impossible situation. It shouldn't have been closed the
first time (even though it was voted as such) and it should be closed
now (even though it hasn't been voted as such). Oh the wonderful
confusion.
If only it were possible to get a non-involved party to look at this for
5 minutes and decide one way or the other. It would save everyone a hell
of a lot of time. What we need is a knee jerk binding judgement! (of
course this is said partly in jest, but we really aren't going to get
anywhere by 'discussing' this).
Fran
On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 06:15 -0700, Mark Williamson wrote:
Having said that, I should add that the majority
of people in both
votes who voted to delete this Wiki came from the Romanian Wikipedia.
So don't accuse me of playing unfairly. This is a vote for
Wikimedians. Russian Wikipedians are just as good of voters are you
Romanian and your buddies.
Mark
On 24/06/06, Jacky PB <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
Remember, you decided to leave the Moldovan wikipedia freezed, but not completely
deleted. Now, its unique contributor [[:en:User:Node_ue]], is back (probably on school
holiday), with his anti-Romanian edits. I cite from [[:mo:Wikipedia_talk:Administrator]]:
<i> Please don't write in Romanian here, write Moldovan. Every time you write
Romanian on the Moldovan wikipedia, god kills a kitten. </i>
No to mention that he initiated a vote to become again sysop, then tried to falsify the
results (because they were not favourable). The current version of the page
[[:mo:Wikipedia:Administrator]] is that rigged by Node_ue, but take a look at the history
on the vote page
[
http://mo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator&oldid…]594], which
shows the true result of the vote according to the original rules set by Node_ue.
After this, he managed to invite the entire Russian wikipedia to take position on a
language they know nothing about here: [[:meta:Proposals for closing projects]]. Take a
look at his post here [[:ru:Википедия:Форум/Новости#Moldovan]], and notice the blatant lie
concerning the cyrillic script (whereas the problem is in fact the absence of Moldovan
editors).
In the meantime, Node_ue is copying articles from ro.wiki to mo.wiki and pretends they
are in a different language.
It must be noted that he is the only one on the entire wikipedia (all wikipedias took
together) to pretend speaking a "Moldovan language" different from the Romanian
one. Just take a look at [[:en:Category:User mo]], [[:mo:Category:User mo]],
[[:ro:Category:User mo]], [[:ru:Category:User mo]].
Moreover he himself places himself at level mo-2. I can assure you this guy isn't
able to write correct text in Moldovan. Any native Moldovan can tell you the same (in
fact, this is why he keeps copying articles from ro.wiki).
While no native Moldovan editor exists, the Moldovan wikipedia will continue to be a
political statement that exacerbates nationalisms from Romania, Russia, and Moldova
itself, and a playground for clever and stupid trolls.
It should be closed until a native Moldovan editor requires its re-opening and assumes
admin rights.
This argument has already been put forward here [[:meta:Proposals for closing
projects#What decision makers need to know]].
Yours sincerely,
[[:en:User:Dpotop]], [[:ro:User:Dpotop]]
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