Wikipedia-l December 2008

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comment on wikipedia
by Optim 15 Aug '24

15 Aug '24

I was describing to someone how Wikipedia works: "anyone can edit" etc. He answered with this argument: "Wikipedia is the triumph of the average person! of the man in the street!)" (average meaning: not good, not bad, just OK) I asked "why?" His explanation: "Great brilliant works are built by individuals. Groups of people can only create average works. If someone writes something good in the wiki, other average persons will intervene with his/her work and turn it into an average work. If someone writes something bad in the wiki, the others will again turn it into something of average value. with your system (meaning: Wikipedia's system) you can be sure that you will never create something too bad but also never something too good. You can create only average articles." The idea behind his argument was that Wikipedia will be a good resource as long as it attracts good cotnributors. but it will soon become an average site/encyclopaedia because it allows anyone to join the project and edit, and most people are just average persons and not brilliant writers. Do you think it's true? and how can we answer this argument? --Optim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] multi-headed VANDALS
by Daniel Mayer 18 Jan '23

18 Jan '23

On Sunday 28 July 2002 03:00 am, The Cunctator wrote: > What are the articles this person has been changing? For 66.108.155.126: 20:08 Jul 27, 2002 Computer 20:07 Jul 27, 2002 Exploit 20:07 Jul 27, 2002 AOL 20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Leet 20:03 Jul 27, 2002 Root 20:02 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 19:59 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 19:58 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Principle of least astonishment 19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 19:52 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music 19:51 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music For 208.24.115.6: 20:20 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker For 141.157.232.26: 20:19 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker Most of these were complete replacements with discoherent statements. Such as "TAP IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF THE NOUN HACKER" for Hacker. For the specifics follow http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist and look at the contribs. --mav

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Language policy agreement in the Norwegian Wikipedia community
by Bjarte Sørensen 01 Apr '12

01 Apr '12

Dear all, Most of you would be aware of some of the discussions that have occurred around Wikipedia in the Norwegian languages. Since the last round of discussions on this list, there has been a lot of internal debate, as well as what seems to be a fairly widely accepted agreement following voting. This e-mail intends to, after a brief recap on Norwegian language and wikipedia issues, take those interested through the latest development and will stake out the road ahead. It is also intended to inform the international community about the current agreement on no.wikipedia, so as to prevent misunderstandings in the future. Finally, we will mention an unfortunate reaction to the vote by a small number of users at the Norwegian Bokmål/Riksmål (no:) wikipedia who want to disregard the result of the voting and are planning to create a _third_ Norwegian wikipedia with the sole mission of mixing the contents of the two current Norwegian versions. == A short language history of Norway == Spoken Norwegian ("norsk") (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "no") is in a fairly unique situation compared to most other languages of the world in that it has two widely accepted written standards, Bokmål (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "nb") and Nynorsk (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "nn"). By national legislation they are both regarded as official written forms of Norwegian. In addition, many people still make a distinction between Bokmål and its precursor which still is in use, Riksmål. Briefly speaking, Bokmål and Riksmål are descendants of the Danish written language. Until the 1800s, Danish was the only widely used written language in Norway as a result of four centuries of union with Denmark. With increasing independence came a wish to norwegianise the Danish standard, with Knud Knudsen at the forefront for changing parts of the vocabulary and orthographics. Thus, Riksmål, and later Bokmål, resulted. These forms together are today probably used by about 90% of Norway's population, or somewhere around 3,500,000 people. Parallel to this development, a new written standard was created by Ivar Aasen. He travelled extensively throughout Norway, and based his new language, landsmål, on the grammar and vocabulary of dialect samples from around the country. This was later renamed Nynorsk. Modern Nynorsk differs significantly from modern Bokmål, and may be linguistically looked upon as as different (or as similar if you like) as Swedish is to Danish. For English or Dutch/German speakers, the differences may be likened to those between (Lowland) Scots and English or Low German and Dutch. Today it is estimated that about 500,000-600,000 people have Nynorsk as their first written language. More information about the Norwegian language history can be found in English, German, French, Spanish or Portuguese on the website of the Norwegian Language Council: http://www.sprakrad.no/templates/Page.aspx?id=653 == A short history of Wikipedia in Norwegian == The first Norwegian wikipedia started 26 November 2001 on the subdomain no.wikipedia.org. As most wikipedias, its contributor and article count started really picking up around the end of 2003. At the time, it accepted all written standards of Norwegian, although the amount of Nynorsk was minimal. There were already several debates about the feasibilty and appropriateness of keeping the two languages united on one Wikipedia. On 31 July 2004 a Wikipedia for Nynorsk was created. The creation of nn:, however, split the community at no: wikipedia. Many felt that given that Nynorsk now had its own wikipedia, no: should become a Bokmål/Riksmål Wikipedia only. Others disapproved and claimed that there was no need to change and that it should continue its language policy of accepting all and keep its interwiki link name of "Norsk". Nynorsk Wikipedia soon proved a success, as it within the next few months gathered several people who had felt uncomfortable in the (mainly) Bokmål environment at no:. The name displayed in interwiki links became "Norsk (nynorsk)" (languages are not spelt with upper case in Norwegian). To date it continues to be one of the fastest growing wikipedias, with a steady article increase, now at over 6000 articles and >50 editors with more than 10 edits since arrival. == Votes == The issue of no:'s language policy has come up time and again, and a vote was held in March ([[:no:Wikipedia:Målform]]) as to which policy to adapt. Independent of the method of the tally (whether or not to include new contributors etc.) there was a majority for switching to a Bokmål/Riksmål only language policy (50% for Bokmål/Riksmål, 43.2% for Bokmål/Riksmål/Nynorsk/Høgnorsk, and 6.8% for the official variants Bokmål/Nynorsk only). Following this result, there is now going to be a vote on which interwiki link name will most appropriately reflect the current language policy of no:. The result of this vote will most likely be either "Norsk (bokmål)" or "Norsk (bokmål/riksmål)". Understandably, there has also been a debate as to whether the subdomain should change from "no" to "nb", as this is the correct representation of Bokmål according to ISO 639-2. However, there is some resentment towards such a move and currently a general acceptance in letting the Bokmål wikipedia stay at "no". The alternative some have suggested is a server-side redirect from "no" to "nb", in the same way that "nb" today is a server-side redirect to the equivalent page on "no". == Summary of the problem == Unfortunately, a small group of users (who all write Bokmål/Riksmål) are ignoring the results from the vote, and are claiming they want to re-establish a wikipedia for all written standards of Norwegian. They claim they have been in touch with people centrally in Wikimedia (developers? stewards?) and that they have so far received positive comments. With this email, we would like to state the fact that there have been no official decisions about creating a third Norwegian wikipedia containing both Bokmål and Nynorsk, it is merely an unofficial initiative from a small group of users which started a sign-on list at [[:no:Bruker:Norsk_Wikipedia]]. A spontaneous list with signatures against this activity was immediately created at [[:no:Wikipedia-diskusjon:Fellesnorsk]]. The process of creating a third Norwegian wikipedia has not gone through a voting process in any of the two existing Norwegian wikipedias (no: and nn:) and can not be considered as a decision by the Norwegian Wikipedia community. We believe the creation of a third wikipedia under the Wikimedia foundation would have a serious and unfortunate impact on the existing wikipedias in Norwegian, no: and nn:, and would undermine Wikipedia's reputation in Norway. This being said, we are all for extensive co- operation between the four Scandinavian language wikipedias (including Swedish and Danish), as evident by the recent creation of [[:meta:Skanwiki]], the Scandinavian meta-pages, and the use of featured articles from neighbour wikipedias. == Conclusion == Hopefully, this letter will help people better understand the complicated language situation of the Norwegian Wikipedia community, so as to give a background on which discussion can take place on this list in the future, such as the inevitable debate following a possible request for a re-establishment of the common (and third!) Norwegian Wikipedia. >From the community of no.wikipedia.org and nn.wikipedia.org, Bjarte Sørensen [[:meta:User:BjarteSorensen]] (Administrator/bureaucrat on nn:) Lars Alvik [[:no:User:Profoss]] (Administrator/bureaucrat on no:) Øyvind A. Holm [[:no:User:Sunny256]] (Administrator on no:) Onar Vikingstad [[:no:User:Vikingstad]] (Administrator on no:) Jon Harald Søby [[:no:User:Jhs]] (Administrator on no:) Chris Nyborg [[:no:User:Cnyborg]] (Administrator on no:) Guttorm Flatabø [[:no:User:Dittaeva]] (Administrator on nn:) Gunleiv Hadland [[:meta:User:Gunnernett]] (Administrator on nn:) Jarle Fagerheim [[:nn:User:Jarle]] (Administrator on nn:) Øyvind Jo Heimdal Eik [[:en:User:Pladask]] (Administrator on nn: and no:) Kristian André Gallis [[:nn:User:Kristaga]] Vegard Wærp [[:no:User:Vegardw]] Nina Aldin Thune [[:no:User:Nina]] Thor-Rune Hansen [[:no:User:ThorRune]] Claes Tande [[:no:User:Ctande]] Arnt-Erik Krokaa [[:no:User:AEK]] Rune Sattler [[:no:User:Shauni]]

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Supporting your language
by Gerard Meijssen 24 Jan '09

24 Jan '09

Hoi, In the Betawiki newsbrief, Siebrand asked people to help complete a message group. I am happy to report that currently 107 languages are over the 98% marker for the "most used messages". There have been 25 languages like Latin, Tagalog and Sanskrit who worked on these most important messages from the day that Siebrand asked for an end of year push. For 144 languages with over 90% there are 85 who have translated all the "most used messages", it would be really cool if we could end the year with the goal of 120 reached :) It should be possible for Siebrand to reach this goal with a little bit of your help. Thanks, GerardM http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Betawiki:News/Newsletter_2008-12 http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Siebrand#Goals_for_MediaWiki_localisatio…

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RNA biology
by Gerard Meijssen 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

The magazine RNA biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced that they are requiring researchers publishing research on families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings. The notion is that the paper in the magazine is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be peer reviewed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary. There are several problems: - Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia with different subject linked by hyperlinks. It is not a collection of summaries of scientific articles. This means that information that is relevant in one research paper is likely to find a home in many Wikipedia articles. This makes a traditional peer review, where the review takes place before publication, problematic if not impossible. - The proposed Wikipedia article is a summary of a scientific paper. Scientific papers do not provide a neutral point of view<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPOV>and they should not be neutral. For Wikipedia NPOV is essential and people get banned for pushing their point of view. - The subject matter is so specialised that a typical Wikipedia admin will not be able to judge it. This allows for a lot of misunderstandings and conflict. - Writing a scientific article and writing a Wikipedia article requires different skills. Wikipedia serves the general public and its articles should reflect this. A different vocabulary, a different style of writing is required. I think there is a need for more discussion before this actually starts happening. Thanks, GerardM NB the article<http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081216/full/news.2008.1312.html>that proposes this is a paid for article in Nature, there is also a press release <http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Info/Press/2008/081217.shtml> about this.

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16
by gabriela sanhuezagaray 27 Dec '08

27 Dec '08

Señores Serian tan gentiles de traducirme vuestros escritos en español, y comprendo ingles cotidiano pero no el tecnico. Hay muchas palabras que no las entiendo. Donde vivo no tengo ha nadie con quien hablar ingles por eso he perdido la practica. Se me hace muy dificil participar con Uds. Por otra parte por lo que logro entender es que estan aplicando la biologia en todo hasta en las contrucciones, lo encuentro fabuloso que usemos nuestros conocimientos cientificos en el cuidado del medio ambiente, en la manera de producir cualquier cosa , que con los conocimientos cientificos respetemos los ciclos naturales. Solo pido que sea lo antes posible. Tengan fe que Uds tienen todo el poder para hacerlo.R. Gabriela Sanhueza> From: wikipedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:14:52 +0000> > Send Wikipedia-l mailing list submissions to> wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> wikipedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> wikipedia-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Wikipedia-l digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: RNA biology (Gerard Meijssen)> 2. Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Jiri Hofman)> 3. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Andrew Gray)> 4. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Gregory Maxwell)> 5. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Jiri Hofman)> 6. Re: RNA biology (Tim Starling)> 7. Re: RNA biology (Gerard Meijssen)> 8. Re: RNA biology (Maury Markowitz)> 9. Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season> greetings (Gerard Meijssen)> 10. Re: RNA biology (Jacky PB)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:19:32 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <41a006820812220619o42afac38yae05e2eb8def5fe3(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> I am quite convinced that this is a good faith attempt to bring more science> to the masses. I wanted to highlight the issues and learn from the people> who proposed this how they want to deal with this. When you read a> scientific paper, 90%+ in a paper is explaining what is already known any> way. When the idea is to make sure that these basic facts are represented> well in Wikipedia, we have a real winner on our hands.> > Implied in the proposal is that these summaries will be published under the> CC-by-sa because without it, the publication of these summaries in Wikipedia> are impossible anyway.> > When it becomes clear that Wikipedia is not the right place for the> publication of these summaries, the WMF could create a new project for> Wikipedia style summaries of scientific papers. These summaries would be> published without anonymity and with a clear connection to the scientific> paper. In this way, we have a resource that people can refer to in wikipedia> both as a source and for further reading.> > A project like this will imho do the status of the WMF a world of good and,> give an extra push to the Open Access movement because these papers will> bring science to our public and our public is the world.> Thanks,> GerardM> > 2008/12/22 Jacky PB <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com>> > > > The magazine RNA> > > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>> > > announced that they are requiring researchers publishing> > > research on families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> >> > As a scientist, I find this move dubious.> > Even if we overlook the problem posed by the NPOV policy of> > wikipedia, it seems that the magazine wants to outsource peer> > reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> > nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> > scientific discussion.> >> > From my POV, there are only 2 things that could make sense> > here:> > 1. RNA biology creats its own specialized wiki where self-assumed> > experts can contribute.> > 2. Once an article is published, Wikipedia gets a right to use> > excerpts in its articles.> >> > Dpotop> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:34:05 +0200 (EET)> From: "Jiri Hofman" <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <60636.91.155.182.36.1229970845.squirrel(a)www.aldebaran.cz>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2> > Hello Wikipedians!> > I would like to know opinions of others and, if possible and appropriate,> also official opinion of Wikimedia Foundation on following:> > As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en)> which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they want to satisfy> also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA. Because> of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain> images used in en as fair-use.> > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> potentially violate the law or our license?> > > I should probably state my opinion too, to be fair and honest: Yes, I feel> it is potentially dangerous and we should avoid it. I would like to know,> if there is a reason to spend time and energy on advocating this opinion.> > Thank you,> Jiri Hofman> > PS: Sorry, if this arrived twice, no intention to spam, only forgotten> registration confirmation.> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:42:05 +0000> From: "Andrew Gray" <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <f3fedb0d0812221042o25873957ia9d060e8eb50d622(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > 2008/12/22 Jiri Hofman <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>:> > > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> > infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> > example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> > Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> > potentially violate the law or our license?> > Question: what would we say if someone, for example, did a direct link> like this to an image held on Amazon? The situations seem fairly> comparable...> > -- > - Andrew Gray> andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:02:27 -0500> From: "Gregory Maxwell" <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <e692861c0812221402l3ce5e146jb8d5dd2a4457f556(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Jiri Hofman <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz> wrote:> [snip]> > As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en)> > which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they want to satisfy> > also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA. Because> > of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain> > images used in en as fair-use.> > I don't believe the characterization of desiring to satisfy local laws> is all that accurate: Any industrialized nation without some kind of> legal provision for fair use would be paralysed without some> comparable notion to fair use? and in fact many of the language> Wikipedias which deny fair use have matching countries which very> clearly do have some analogue of fair use.> > Rather, most deny fair use because they believe it brings them closer> to the princlples of free content underlying Wikipedia. (And it's> pretty indisputable that in many cases it has this effect, although at> a cost?)> > > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> > infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> [snip]> > This is a question of local project policy, but I would suspect that> the answer is No, you're basically evading their content rules. These> projects want you to find or obtain freely licensed images, talk> people into releasing under a free license, etc.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:42:09 +0200 (EET)> From: "Jiri Hofman" <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <60171.91.155.182.36.1229985729.squirrel(a)www.aldebaran.cz>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2> > > 2008/12/22 Jiri Hofman <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>:> >> >> Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article> >> or> >> infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> >> example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> >> Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> >> potentially violate the law or our license?> >> > Question: what would we say if someone, for example, did a direct link> > like this to an image held on Amazon? The situations seem fairly> > comparable...> > Well, I would not like it as it is a link which should be rather in> references or external link section. If it was a link to the official site> of the band with this image it would be a perfect candidate to external> link section.> > I disagree this is quite comparable. I do not know under what license> Amazon shows the images. Moreover everybody could directly see that this> is not a part of Wikipedia, nobody could say: "you are trying to cheat me,> not all of your Wikipedia content is free".> > Is similar linking in use in some Wikipedias?> > Jiri> > > >> > --> > - Andrew Gray> > andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:00:14 +1100> From: Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <gipgne$c8i$1(a)ger.gmane.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Gerard Meijssen wrote:> > The magazine RNA> > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced> > that they are requiring researchers publishing research on> > families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> > The notion is that the paper in the> > magazine is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be peer> > reviewed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.> > This was discussed on wikien-l under the subject 'Scientists told "publish> in Wikipedia or else"'.> > -- Tim Starling> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:10:10 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <41a006820812230010t5bdce679n1022672e40bed14c(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> I am not subscribed to the English language Wikipedia mailing list. I now> had a look and think that this subject has a wider importance then only the> en.wp. Now I am subscribed and am on "do not send".> Thanks,> GerardM> > 2008/12/23 Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>> > > Gerard Meijssen wrote:> > > The magazine RNA> > > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced> > > that they are requiring researchers publishing research on> > > families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> > > The notion is that the paper in the> > > magazine is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be> > peer> > > reviewed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.> >> > This was discussed on wikien-l under the subject 'Scientists told "publish> > in Wikipedia or else"'.> >> > -- Tim Starling> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:17:03 -0500> From: "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <5bdbc9050812230717s18a88ecaw33d6c073aaebad7d(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Jacky PB <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com> wrote:> > reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> > nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> > scientific discussion.> > I find this comment both revealing and insulting.> > Maury> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:38:13 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you> and season greetings> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"> <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> <41a006820812240838t6cd6f826ja98b806615ef704f(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> Given that some of our Betawiki localisers have not provided us with their> e-mail address and given that this is an open call to contribute to our end> of your localisation effort, I forward this mail to you all.> > Help us to end 2008 with a bang and in the process you can help yourself or> the Wikimedia Foundation to some bucks..> Thanks and happy holidays,> GerardM> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> From: Siebrand Mazeland> Date: 2008/12/24> Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings> To: mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org, translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > Dear translators, developers, and other subscribers,> > As Betawiki staff we would like to thank you very much for your continued> support making MediaWiki projects succeed, and hope on good health for you> and your loved ones, and your continued contributions for 2009.> > End of December 2007 Siebrand formulated localisation goals for MediaWiki> For 2008[1]. They were ambitious. Really ambitious, and it looks like the> four goals that were set are not going to be met. However, us Betawiki staff> do not give up without a fight. There is still one more week left before the> year ends, and because of that we would like to give you an incentive.> > == 1,000 Euro bounty ==> Together with Stichting Open Progress[2] we are able to make available 1,000> Euro, to be divided between all translators that will make 500 or more new> translations for MediaWiki or its extensions before the end of the year. In> the past week there have been 5 users that made more than 500 translations,> so that is quite an incentive, we think! If you are eligible to claim your> share of the bounty, please do that at the designated page[3]. Please note> if you would like to receive your cut, have us donate it to the Wikimedia> Foundation on your behalf, or if you do not claim it, in which case> Stichting Open Progress will repurpose it.> > We wish you happy and productive holidays and hope to see you (re)visit> Betawiki often!> > Betawiki Staff[4]> > [1]> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2007-December/000571.html> [2] http://openprogress.org/Stichting_Open_Progress> [3] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Language_project/500claim> [4] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=staff> > > _______________________________________________> Mediawiki-i18n mailing list> Mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 10> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:14:50 -0800 (PST)> From: Jacky PB <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <659266.99906.qm(a)web36301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > > > > > >> reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> >> nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> >> scientific discussion.> > >I find this comment both revealing and insulting.> > It was not intended as insulting, and you did not specify> to whom it is insulting and why. > > I may rephrase this as follows: I believe the job of Wikipedia> is not to create results, but to put them into a social and> historical perspective, and reveal to the general reader the> relations between pieces of> knowledge. To do this, not being a specialist is not a problem, > on the contrary. This actually corresponds to the first job of a > junior scientist: Bibliography search.> > Cheers,> Dpotop> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Wikipedia-l mailing list> Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> > > End of Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16> ******************************************* _________________________________________________________________ ¿Fanático de Hotmail y Messenger? ¡Conoce el resto de Windows Live®! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/

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Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings
by Gerard Meijssen 24 Dec '08

24 Dec '08

Hoi, Given that some of our Betawiki localisers have not provided us with their e-mail address and given that this is an open call to contribute to our end of your localisation effort, I forward this mail to you all. Help us to end 2008 with a bang and in the process you can help yourself or the Wikimedia Foundation to some bucks.. Thanks and happy holidays, GerardM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Siebrand Mazeland Date: 2008/12/24 Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings To: mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org, translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Dear translators, developers, and other subscribers, As Betawiki staff we would like to thank you very much for your continued support making MediaWiki projects succeed, and hope on good health for you and your loved ones, and your continued contributions for 2009. End of December 2007 Siebrand formulated localisation goals for MediaWiki For 2008[1]. They were ambitious. Really ambitious, and it looks like the four goals that were set are not going to be met. However, us Betawiki staff do not give up without a fight. There is still one more week left before the year ends, and because of that we would like to give you an incentive. == 1,000 Euro bounty == Together with Stichting Open Progress[2] we are able to make available 1,000 Euro, to be divided between all translators that will make 500 or more new translations for MediaWiki or its extensions before the end of the year. In the past week there have been 5 users that made more than 500 translations, so that is quite an incentive, we think! If you are eligible to claim your share of the bounty, please do that at the designated page[3]. Please note if you would like to receive your cut, have us donate it to the Wikimedia Foundation on your behalf, or if you do not claim it, in which case Stichting Open Progress will repurpose it. We wish you happy and productive holidays and hope to see you (re)visit Betawiki often! Betawiki Staff[4] [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2007-December/000571.html [2] http://openprogress.org/Stichting_Open_Progress [3] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Language_project/500claim [4] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=staff _______________________________________________ Mediawiki-i18n mailing list Mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n

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Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other Wikipedia
by Jiri Hofman 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

Hello Wikipedians! I would like to know opinions of others and, if possible and appropriate, also official opinion of Wikimedia Foundation on following: As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en) which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they want to satisfy also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA. Because of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain images used in en as fair-use. Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can potentially violate the law or our license? I should probably state my opinion too, to be fair and honest: Yes, I feel it is potentially dangerous and we should avoid it. I would like to know, if there is a reason to spend time and energy on advocating this opinion. Thank you, Jiri Hofman PS: Sorry, if this arrived twice, no intention to spam, only forgotten registration confirmation.

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request for new language: Kaingang
by Wilmar DAngelis 20 Dec '08

20 Dec '08

Dear friends, I am linguist, working in a major Brazilian university (UNICAMP), and I have worked with and researched the language of the indigenous people Kaingang more than 30 years. On behalf of a group of teachers, who are native speakers of Kaingang (one of the six indigenous languages of Brazil with the largest number of speakers) would like to request the creation of a Wikipedia in that language. The objectives are: (i) enlarge the democratic character of the web, which the Wikipedia is a model, (ii) give greater visibility to minority languages, and (iii) strengthen the Kaingang language, (iv) encourage the emergence of indigenous writers. I appreciate that you could help us in this endeavor to succeed. Next week we met (myself, with three volunteers students with about 20 Kaingang teachers, in the largest Indian reservation of them, called Guarita, to give way to questions related to this proposal). I await your comments. Regards. Wilmar da Rocha D'Angelis www.portalkaingang.org

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[[afrophonewikis] Current numbers for Afripedias
by Gerard Meijssen 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

Hoi, On the afrophonewikis mailing list, there was this messages that you may find of interest. Thanks, GerardM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Martin Benjamin Date: 2008/12/17 Subject: [afrophonewikis] Current numbers for Afripedias To: afrophonewikis(a)yahoogroups.com Ian Gilfillan posted an overview of the current state of Afrophone Wikipedias, particularly focused on the languages of South Africa: http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=433 It looks like Yoruba might catch up with Swahili soon! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/message/477;_ylc=X3oDMTMzZGYxb…>( 1) Reply (via web post) <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbDY4bGpsBF9T…>| Start a new topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdWNmM2QyBF9T…> Messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbDI1czEz…>| Files<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnZzU5YWk0BF9…>| Photos<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYThwaGdwBF…>| Links<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJncjdyNXQ4BF9…>| Database<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNjBsbnQ4…>| Polls<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJnOW01OXE2BF9…>| Members<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYmtwZXJlB…>| Calendar<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN2t2Zmdr…> MARKETPLACE ------------------------------ >From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13r7kkvfd/M=493064.12016295.13271503.10835568/D…> [image: Yahoo! Groups]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZ3Z1cTJ1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4N…> Change settings via the Web<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnZ2prZnQ1BF9T…>(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest<afrophonewikis-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email+Delivery:+Digest>| Switch format to Traditional<afrophonewikis-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change+Delivery+Format:+Traditional> Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMWdhMTdoBF9TAzk3M…>| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> | Unsubscribe <afrophonewikis-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com?subject=> Recent Activity Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afrophonewikis;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb3MxN2hoBF9TAzk3M…> Ads on Yahoo! Learn more now.<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13or1l525/M=493064.12016308.12445700.8674578/D=…> Reach customers searching for you. Dog Zone on Yahoo! Groups<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13om25gsn/M=493064.12016263.12445670.8674578/D=…> Join a Group all about dogs. Health Groups for people over 40<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13oanr0p1/M=493064.12662708.12980600.8674578/D=…> Join people who are staying in shape. . __,_._,___

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