Señores
Serian tan gentiles de traducirme vuestros escritos en español, y comprendo ingles
cotidiano pero no el tecnico.
Hay muchas palabras que no las entiendo.
Donde vivo no tengo ha nadie con quien hablar ingles por eso he perdido la practica.
Se me hace muy dificil participar con Uds.
Por otra parte por lo que logro entender es que estan aplicando la biologia en todo hasta
en las contrucciones, lo encuentro fabuloso que usemos nuestros conocimientos cientificos
en el cuidado del medio ambiente, en la manera de producir cualquier cosa , que con los
conocimientos cientificos respetemos los ciclos naturales.
Solo pido que sea lo antes posible. Tengan fe que Uds tienen todo el poder para hacerlo.R.
Gabriela Sanhueza> From: wikipedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject:
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1> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:19:32 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen"
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To:
wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:>
<41a006820812220619o42afac38yae05e2eb8def5fe3(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> I am quite convinced that this is a good faith
attempt to bring more science> to the masses. I wanted to highlight the issues and
learn from the people> who proposed this how they want to deal with this. When you read
a> scientific paper, 90%+ in a paper is explaining what is already known any> way.
When the idea is to make sure that these basic facts are represented> well in
Wikipedia, we have a real winner on our hands.> > Implied in the proposal is that
these summaries will be published under the> CC-by-sa because without it, the
publication of these summaries in Wikipedia> are impossible anyway.> > When it
becomes clear that Wikipedia is not the right place for the> publication of these
summaries, the WMF could create a new project for> Wikipedia style summaries of
scientific papers. These summaries would be> published without anonymity and with a
clear connection to the scientific> paper. In this way, we have a resource that people
can refer to in wikipedia> both as a source and for further reading.> > A project
like this will imho do the status of the WMF a world of good and,> give an extra push
to the Open Access movement because these papers will> bring science to our public and
our public is the world.> Thanks,> GerardM> > 2008/12/22 Jacky PB
<dpotop1(a)yahoo.com>> > > > The magazine RNA> > >
biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>> > > announced
that they are requiring researchers publishing> > > research on families of RNA
molecules in the journal to write a> > >
Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> >>
> As a scientist, I find this move dubious.> > Even if we overlook the problem
posed by the NPOV policy of> > wikipedia, it seems that the magazine wants to
outsource peer> > reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that
know> > nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> >
scientific discussion.> >> > From my POV, there are only 2 things that could
make sense> > here:> > 1. RNA biology creats its own specialized wiki where
self-assumed> > experts can contribute.> > 2. Once an article is published,
Wikipedia gets a right to use> > excerpts in its articles.> >> >
Dpotop> >> >> >> >> >
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------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:34:05
+0200 (EET)> From: "Jiri Hofman" <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>> Subject:
[Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia>
To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:
<60636.91.155.182.36.1229970845.squirrel(a)www.aldebaran.cz>> Content-Type:
text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2> > Hello Wikipedians!> > I would like to know
opinions of others and, if possible and appropriate,> also official opinion of
Wikimedia Foundation on following:> > As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide
fair-use content (as en)> which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they
want to satisfy> also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA.
Because> of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain>
images used in en as fair-use.> > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the
text of the article or> infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)?
For> example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English>
Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> potentially violate
the law or our license?> > > I should probably state my opinion too, to be fair
and honest: Yes, I feel> it is potentially dangerous and we should avoid it. I would
like to know,> if there is a reason to spend time and energy on advocating this
opinion.> > Thank you,> Jiri Hofman> > PS: Sorry, if this arrived twice, no
intention to spam, only forgotten> registration confirmation.> > > > >
------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:42:05
+0000> From: "Andrew Gray" <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>> Subject: Re:
[Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia>
To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:>
<f3fedb0d0812221042o25873957ia9d060e8eb50d622(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > 2008/12/22 Jiri Hofman
<hofmanj@aldebaran.cz>:> > > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside
the text of the article or> > infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally
files)? For> > example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in
English> > Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can>
> potentially violate the law or our license?> > Question: what would we say if
someone, for example, did a direct link> like this to an image held on Amazon? The
situations seem fairly> comparable...> > -- > - Andrew Gray>
andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> > > > ------------------------------> >
Message: 4> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:02:27 -0500> From: "Gregory Maxwell"
<gmaxwell(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to
fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Message-ID:> <e692861c0812221402l3ce5e146jb8d5dd2a4457f556(a)mail.gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Jiri
Hofman <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz> wrote:> [snip]> > As you probably know, some
Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en)> > which is not allowed in some other
Wikipedias because they want to satisfy> > also local laws not allowing fair-use,
not just laws of the USA. Because> > of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias
do not contain certain> > images used in en as fair-use.> > I don't
believe the characterization of desiring to satisfy local laws> is all that accurate:
Any industrialized nation without some kind of> legal provision for fair use would be
paralysed without some> comparable notion to fair use? and in fact many of the
language> Wikipedias which deny fair use have matching countries which very> clearly
do have some analogue of fair use.> > Rather, most deny fair use because they
believe it brings them closer> to the princlples of free content underlying Wikipedia.
(And it's> pretty indisputable that in many cases it has this effect, although
at> a cost?)> > > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of
the article or> > infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)?
For> [snip]> > This is a question of local project policy, but I would suspect
that> the answer is No, you're basically evading their content rules. These>
projects want you to find or obtain freely licensed images, talk> people into releasing
under a free license, etc.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5>
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:42:09 +0200 (EET)> From: "Jiri Hofman"
<hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to
fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Message-ID: <60171.91.155.182.36.1229985729.squirrel(a)www.aldebaran.cz>>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2> > > 2008/12/22 Jiri Hofman
<hofmanj@aldebaran.cz>:> >> >> Is it correct to provide direct inline
(inside the text of the article> >> or> >> infobox) iterwiki links to
these images (and generally files)? For> >> example: [[:en:File:Metallica and
justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> >> Wikipedia]]. Is it something what
should be avoided because it can> >> potentially violate the law or our
license?> >> > Question: what would we say if someone, for example, did a
direct link> > like this to an image held on Amazon? The situations seem fairly>
> comparable...> > Well, I would not like it as it is a link which should be
rather in> references or external link section. If it was a link to the official
site> of the band with this image it would be a perfect candidate to external> link
section.> > I disagree this is quite comparable. I do not know under what
license> Amazon shows the images. Moreover everybody could directly see that this>
is not a part of Wikipedia, nobody could say: "you are trying to cheat me,> not
all of your Wikipedia content is free".> > Is similar linking in use in some
Wikipedias?> > Jiri> > > >> > --> > - Andrew Gray> >
andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> >> >
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> ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008
13:00:14 +1100> From: Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>> Subject: Re:
[Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:
<gipgne$c8i$1(a)ger.gmane.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1>
> Gerard Meijssen wrote:> > The magazine RNA> >
biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced… > that
they are requiring researchers publishing research on> > families of RNA molecules
in the journal to write a> >
Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article
summarising their findings.> > The notion is that the paper in the> > magazine
is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be peer> > reviewed
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.> > This was
discussed on wikien-l under the subject 'Scientists told "publish> in
Wikipedia or else"'.> > -- Tim Starling> > > > >
------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:10:10
+0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject:
Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:>
<41a006820812230010t5bdce679n1022672e40bed14c(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> I am not subscribed to the English language
Wikipedia mailing list. I now> had a look and think that this subject has a wider
importance then only the> en.wp. Now I am subscribed and am on "do not
send".> Thanks,> GerardM> > 2008/12/23 Tim Starling
<tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>> > > Gerard Meijssen wrote:> > > The
magazine RNA> > >
biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced… > >
that they are requiring researchers publishing research on> > > families of RNA
molecules in the journal to write a> > >
Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> > >
The notion is that the paper in the> > > magazine is original research and the
Wikipedia article that will also be> > peer> > > reviewed
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.> >> >
This was discussed on wikien-l under the subject 'Scientists told "publish>
> in Wikipedia or else"'.> >> > -- Tim Starling> >>
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------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:17:03
-0500> From: "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz(a)gmail.com>> Subject:
Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:>
<5bdbc9050812230717s18a88ecaw33d6c073aaebad7d(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Jacky PB
<dpotop1(a)yahoo.com> wrote:> > reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of
geeks that know> > nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the>
> scientific discussion.> > I find this comment both revealing and insulting.>
> Maury> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date:
Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:38:13 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen"
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n]
Betawiki staff thank you> and season greetings> To: "Wikimedia Foundation
Mailing List"> <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>,
wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:>
<41a006820812240838t6cd6f826ja98b806615ef704f(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> Given that some of our Betawiki localisers
have not provided us with their> e-mail address and given that this is an open call to
contribute to our end> of your localisation effort, I forward this mail to you all.>
> Help us to end 2008 with a bang and in the process you can help yourself or> the
Wikimedia Foundation to some bucks..> Thanks and happy holidays,> GerardM> >
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2008/12/24> Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings>
To: mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org, translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > >
Dear translators, developers, and other subscribers,> > As Betawiki staff we would
like to thank you very much for your continued> support making MediaWiki projects
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goals for MediaWiki> For 2008[1]. They were ambitious. Really ambitious, and it looks
like the> four goals that were set are not going to be met. However, us Betawiki
staff> do not give up without a fight. There is still one more week left before the>
year ends, and because of that we would like to give you an incentive.> > == 1,000
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1,000> Euro, to be divided between all translators that will make 500 or more new>
translations for MediaWiki or its extensions before the end of the year. In> the past
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-0800 (PST)> From: Jacky PB <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l]
RNA biology> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:
<659266.99906.qm(a)web36301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii> > > > > > >> reviewing to a generalist site. As
if hordes of geeks that know> >> nothing or little of RNA biology can bring
something in the> >> scientific discussion.> > >I find this comment both
revealing and insulting.> > It was not intended as insulting, and you did not
specify> to whom it is insulting and why. > > I may rephrase this as follows: I
believe the job of Wikipedia> is not to create results, but to put them into a social
and> historical perspective, and reveal to the general reader the> relations between
pieces of> knowledge. To do this, not being a specialist is not a problem, > on the
contrary. This actually corresponds to the first job of a > junior scientist:
Bibliography search.> > Cheers,> Dpotop> > > > > > > >
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