I only suggest that Each Wikipedia, first of all, English Wikipedia needs to
have the administration of justice, this is, the board of inspectors to
investigate whether the behaviors of admins are appropriate or not.
This organization, of course, must be independent from all admins.
In mature democrratic countries, as you know, the prosecutors and the judges
are independent from each other.
In Wikipedias, however, all admins have been doing the role of prosecutors
and the role of the judges and the role of general editors at the same time.
I think, this system cannot help making almost admins unreliable dictators
and increasing various vandalisms including the admin's vandalism.
So I think each Wikipedia, especially English Wikipedia, needs the board of
Inspectors independent from all admins as soon as possible
and the board of inspectors should remove inappropriate admins as soon as
This is the best way because it is the most possible and the most reasonable
I think true Wikipedians are expected to make Wikipedias evolve to
Clearly English Wikipedia are holding terribly selfish admins because some
of them rejected this suggestion to be released, read, and talked on the
mailing list <WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org>.
Please don't be afraid if you are a good admin. In order to defend good
admins, there should be another court composed of the independent agents.
This court would be like "the Committee for the Inquest of Prosecution".
Respect, and you are ordinarily respected among the mature democratic
This principle, however, cannot be used to Chinese, Koreans, Russians, etc.
If you respect them, they get arrogant forever as if they are the absolute
Even on English Wikipedia, the most important official policy
[[Wikipedia:NPOV]] is often ignored by the admins themselves
when the article is treating the problems that the admins want a victory on
their own belief.
The articles involving territorial problems, political problems, hystorical
problems, gender problems, etc. are quite dangerous for good admins and
neutral superior editors
because bad admins have been waiting to revert the articles and block their
Bad admins are supposed to become admins in order to get a virtual victory
on their belief in Wikipedia.
In other words we can know very easily whether a admin is a good admin or
not in such cases.
Even in the articles of English Wikipedia, if they are having international
the invasive side wins and the invaded side loses
as if English Wikipedia recommends all the human beings(nations) to invade
and make the regions under their administration.
See [[Kuril Islands dispute]], [[Dokdo]], etc. It's internationally unfair
and quite dangerous and terribly against the international peace and other
spirits of UN.
I have thought, "The admins of English Wikipedia hope WW3 and become the
enemy of the world?"
Such a bias by the admins and other editors put the peaceful Wikipedians who
respect [[Wikipedia:NPOV]] in an embarrassing position and make some of them
Since 1945 what merit is there to please the invasive peoples of invasive
nations like Russians, Koreans, Chinese, etc?
Clearly American, British, Australian,,,,, and Japanese Wikipedians have
if they(we) are on invasive side
because their(our) mature democratic countries have already denied getting a
new territory by invasive selfish war.
I think there is few persons in the world who have thought Americans are
going to take Iraq as a new territory of US.
US, UK, Americans, British, and English(the language) are so respected in
If not, all nations in the world already attacked US, UK and Israel
English Wikipedia has the same problems.
The foresight of Jimmy Wales, the history of Wikipedia and English(language)
are so much respected, but how about admins of English Wikipedia?
They are respected?
The system and its policies they made are deemed reasonable and comfortable?
For example, the official policy of three times revert seems to be a wicked
trap made by the admins.
Admins can revert, revert, revert, revert, revert,..., permanently, but a
Wikipedian who is not a admin is blocked for a long time just because he
imitates the admins' behaviors only three times.
Why the admins of English Wikipedia are imitating the worst part of Bush's
I think everyone including German admins knows that
English Wikipedia should show and prevail the comfortable and reasonable
model of Wikipedia
to other language's Wikipedians. But not yet. No sign.
Probably the admins of German Wikipedia could not wait the evolution of
and take the worst method that insists :
"We are (I am?) the God! We need not and cannot respect any editors any more
We (can) know exactly all things in the world, so, we can release all the
Probably they have been getting more and more contempt because of their
fascism and ignorance.
I have already seen this again and again in Japanese Wikipedia.
In Japanese Wikipedia almost real Japanese editors have given up
to make the administration of Japanese Wikipedia reasonable and comfortable
because the admins, including their sockpuppets, are terribly crazy
Korean(or Chinese) fascists
who are not able to use Japanese correctly and exactly and rejecting all
just because such meaningful conversations are disadvantage for them. They
call those meaningful conversations "personal attacks".
Please make a clear definition of "personal attack", or abandon the policy
of prohibiting "personal attack" because fascism admins and the admins who
are similar to fascists cannot understand the meaning of "personal attack"
and abuse "personal attack" in order to defend the selfish admins themselves
and block innocent Wikipedians.
So there is no "community", no "consensus", and no meaningful
"conversations" in Japanese Wikipedia including its mailing list,
though admins insist as if there are.
It is very clear that the admins always reject meaningful conversations
anywhere including the mailing list.
The admins of English Wikipedia have the same tendency.
The admins themselves make it impossible to occur real "conversation", real
"community" and real "consensus".
This is already famous truth in Japan, so, even Jimmy Wales .
I have to ask :
Who left the first important adminship of Japanese Wikipedia to
[[:ja:User:Tietew]](=[[:ja:User:Aphaia]], [[:ja:User:µéÓ¡]], etc.), and
Please remove all of them from Japanese Wikipedia
and leave "the first important adminship of Japanese Wikipedia" to
responsible pure Japanese
who are born and have been living in Japan from his/her ancestors, whose
ancestors are not Koreans or Chinese.
And/Or, I hope English Wikipedia show the better model of Wikipedia as soon
It's the easiest because it is obvious that English Wikipedia has good
admins and good Wikipedians more than any other Wikipedias.
So, I think :
First of all, English Wikipedia needs the board of inspectors to investigate
and remove inappropriate admins and right the wrong made by admins.
Second, English Wikipedia make the system where the inspector(judge) cannot
be the admin(prosecutor) forever and the admin cannot be the inspector
Third, let other Wikipedias imitate English Wikipedia.
The composition of "admins vs ordinary Wikipedians" is not good.
The composition of "ordinary Wikipedians vs admins vs inspectors" is much
The admins investigate all the editors and all the articles and administrate
The inspectors investigate the behaviors of admins and receive all kind of
criticisms of the admins even if those criticism are called "personal
attack" by the admins themselves.
It is very clear that blocking made by a admin(admins) is the heaviest
and reverting made by a admin(admins) is the second heaviest "personal
To insist "Those admins are wrong because xxxxxx" or "He is inappropriate
for adminship because xxxxx" is never "personal attack", just judgement or
Therefore admins have no rights to accuse anyone by the term "personal
I hope wise Wikipedians create the independent organization to judge admins
in English Wikipedia.
That is needed by ordinary Wikipedians of other language's because they
can't or wouldn't become a admin.
Please show the American's and/or British superior humanity and excellent
It is because many articles of English Wikipedia, including Wikipedia's
policies, have been translated into other languages' .
Thank you. Thank you for my broken English.
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"enwikipedia.org" is really starting to annoy me now. There are hundreds
more like that stealing Wikimedia traffic. Is the Wikimedia Foundation
planning to do anything about domain parking infringing on their trademarks,
or would it cost too much?
US Wikimedians (and anyone who can get ABC): there will be a story
about Wikimedia on ABC's Nightline tonight; those who were at
Wikimania may remember seeing them filming. No, I don't know the focus
of the story, but I'd be surprised if it were entirely rosy, given the
show's usual fare. Check your local listings...
(I was one of many interviewed for it and have no idea what they'll use.)
who has to go find a TV set now
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Please take the time to change the subject line if responding - on
wikien-l it was a common trick for a long time for trolls to slander
people by putting an accusation right there in the subject line,
confident it would be spread every time the thread was continued, and
I would suggest it would be better for all (and possibly even rational
discussion on the actual subject, rather than one-note advocates
continuing the fine legacy of Bonaparte for whatever purpose as this
one took pain to) if you could all take care with the subject line.
Hey fellow wikipedians,
The situation at the pages fro new language proposals
is growing very hot and troublesome.
Mostly due to Mark's abuse. He is very opinionated
and supports one language and not another and he
has been asked by several people to stop messing
up efforts to get new proposals and incubator pages
going but he insists in exerting his own point of view.
Especially troubling for me is the issue with the
Andalusian incubator page. It seems to have been
deleted. There are several wikipedians interested
and there is a test wiki at Wikia. The Test-wp page
in Incubator was different and offered some solutions
to the divisiveness that arose in considering this
I'm asking for your help in looking into this matter.
We need to provide a non-opinionated and slanted
solution to the issue of dealing with new proposals.
If Wikipedia gives the impression of being slanted
and non-NPOV it stops being Wikipedia.
Mark needs some scolding, and whoever is purposely
attacking the proposal of an Andalusian Wiki should
be warned to stop as well.
With sincere regards,
2006/8/28, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>:
Well this is on one hand to inform you about what we are going to do/try
to do and on the other to tell people: if you want to do the same, just
Jeff has this wordlist he uses for the machine translation of the
Cherokee wikipedia. Well, since I want to try to do the same for
Neapolitan he told me to download it and substitute the Cherokee words
with Neapolitan words. Said and done :-) I downloaded the list. Talking
with GerardM about uploading it I sent him the list and he put it on
WiktionaryZ (thank you!):
Jeff: could you please confirm that we may use the list in this way
under GFDL and CC-BY?
Well, what will happen now: I will start to create the needed entries in
English and add the Neapolitan translations to it. Probably also Italian
and as soon as we have Cherokee online I'll copy and paste these words
there as well (always if I get the OK for it).
Once that is done we can go on with teaching the translation engine the
grammar rules :-)
Now people will say and if it does not work ... well something tells me
it will work ... and besides creating a basis for Machine Translation in
this way also a dictionary is created. So one effort with double result.
Therefore I invite all that are interested in doing similar things to
follow us in our adventure ... well yes, that's how I consider it: a
huge adventure in the world of languages. Probably some that will start
after me to work on this list will be faster ... it would be great to
see that - there is always that time problem (at least for me).
Well this is the first time when we will see one of the WiktionaryZ
features in action: reusability for other projects - in this case for
Thank you Jeff for taking the time to work on our languages.
Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale!
now all active members of Wikimedia projects are invited to vote in
the 2006 Election to the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia
Foundation. After one week from the beginning, we have over 1,000
votes. Thank you for your interest!
On most projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, it is advertised at the
top of website. On some projects, it hasn't yet. According my
presumption 8-10% projects hasn't recognized now they are invited to
give voices (see below).
Hence, local sysops are highly expected to ensure their wiki to be
informed this Election, and if not yet, please modify
[[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and put a brief notice about it. If you are
not a sysop but visit such a project frequently, please let the local
sysops know about that.
You may want to render meta version or other projects'.
Here are some examples you can reuse:
I found by chance some projects not informed yet, and checked some
- 25 largest Wikipedias +1 I visited by chance; 3 Wikipedias lacked information
- 5 large Wiktionaries; all had sitenotice
- 3 relatively large Wikinews; all had sitenotice
3/31 = 10% projects had no news about Election; I feel unease with
this result. One of the reasons would be that they optimized the
sitenotice for other purposes. In some projects, it was just only the
former news (like Wikimania scholarship) remained. Anyway, there would
be terra incognita from several reasons, which all of us are invited
to develop to assure the integrity of our global community.
Wikimedia Election Committee, 2006
* vox pubuli, vox dei *