On 08/09/06, ilooy <ilooy.gaon(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2006/9/8, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>om>:
Also, I have been accused of sockpuppetry many
times before. [...]
On yi.wp I was banned because danny doesn't like me.
I don't recall being banned on any other wiki [...]
he banned me for speaking out.
Toki Pona was a long time ago,
4 or 5 on yi: (most to try to circumvent Danny's ban),
and 3 on one other Wiki which is quite inactive right now.
I never "vandalised" it. I simply didn't agree with your orthography,
and as the case turns out to be, nobody else does either. Changing
orthography to something a bit more kosher is not "vandalism".
But Mark look at the pattern above.
Is that anyway to behave at Wikipedia?
Being accused? That's the behaviour of others, not me.
Being banned? Unless you mean permabanned, many well-respected users
have been banned on one occasion or another (usually for something
like violation of the 3RR), and there isn't nearly enough oversight on
administrative action at small Wikis, so for example me being banned
at yi.wp in its infancy was not subject to community approval because
there was no community (but the one there now positively loves me).
Having sockpuppets? Almost everyone does. I admit it, so do I. But I
don't have a whole lot,I never use them really, and I have never
abused them.
And the Andalusian Test wiki didn't have my
preference for a phonetic spelling, it used the
'''NOA''' convention which is a bit standard in
music lyrics etc. for flamenco songs, poems
etc. So the one that was more NPOV got
deleted. The Wikia Andalu site has received
a lot of attacks from vandals. But If someone
posts in another spelling convention it isn't
reason to ban anyone, the problem is deletion
of work. Since you mention 'kosher' I'll remind
Well, if that's what you're accusing me of, having a history of simply
deleting the Andalusian Test-WP, then you are quite wrong. I have
never once done that. I support the creation of an Andaluz Wikipedia,
just not on YOUR terms -- you were not the original requester; there
are many orthographies for the language, and you should not be allowed
to unfairly dominate.
you of the deletions you made in the Ladino
wiki, reverting the spelling to hebrew characters
several times and deleting the romance spelling
with Latin characters which is in fact preferred
by several discussion lists in Ladino and newspapers
and magazines in the Middle East and in other
places around the world.
I don't seem to recall doing that -- on the LAdino Test-Wiki, I did,
and you certainly *accused* me of doing it on lad.wiki. And on the
Test-Wiki, it wasn't vandalism. You don't have sole creative control
over anything, and when you think Latin letters should go first, or
that they should even be included, that is subject to community
consensus, and I was simply being bold.
Also, I wonder, what's the point of having a Ladino Wiki in latin
characters? Sure, it's a bit different from Castellano, but it's
basically the same as Nuevomejicano (New Mexican Spanish), with some
Hebrew and Aramaic words here and there, and Nuevomejicano certainly
doesn't deserve its own Wikipedia. Written in the Latin alphabet,
LAdino hardly deserves its own Wikipedia -- it is really mostly
identical to Castillian, as evidenced by the fact that many articles
on lad.wp are simply copied and then converted to the "phonetic"
orthography used by LAdino.
On the other hand, the Hebrew alphabet is the historical and still the
most popular alphabet for writing Ladino, and a version in Hebrew
letters would not be redundant.
Do you not see that your pattern of behavior
causes problems within the Wp community?
This is what I meant by m.o. (modus operandi).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_operandi
I'm not dumb, I know what m.o. means. However, I do not see a pattern
of behaviour, and as far as I can tell, you have caused at least as
many problems as I have, or more.
Mark
