The poll is surely a step in the right direction but the voting itself really is a bit obsure. When I cast my vote - having read the instructions twice - I was pretty sure to ballot only on Cantonese (creation "right away") and Wu (creation "in the near future"). The way I got it the poll was not supposed to make a decision on any other Sinitic languages ("not exclude the possibility of Wikipedias in other Sinitic languages", i. e. a neutral attitude). Now, however, some users extend their vote to other languages. IMHO we should only count votes for Cantonese and Wu here.
Boris
wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org schrieb am 16.08.05 03:47:29:
Hi all,
The current results of the poll on Sinitic linguistic policy at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Sinitic_linguistic_policy
:
25 support - 6 oppose (overall)
Some people expressed support or lack thereof for other
Sinitic-language Wikipedias, mostly Wu, Hakka, and Classical Chinese.
The voting instructions say that if you only want to support one of
them, but not the others, you should note it with your vote.
I don't know if people followed these instructions exactly, but if they did:
One person explicitly supported Cantonese and Wu but didn't support
Hakka, making the balance for Hakka:
24 support - 7 oppose.
One person who voted in the "oppose" section, noted that although they
are opposed to Wikipedias in Cantonese, Wu, and Hakka, they support a
Wikipedia in Classical Chinese.
I would like to close with a quote from that page from Jogloran, which
to me indicates the true nessecity for these Wikipedias:
"And one more thing. My mother tongue is Cantonese, not Mandarin, not
'Chinese', but specifically Cantonese. When I read through the sample
articles in Cantonese linked above, I was struck by how much clearer
it was to my mind. When I read a text written in standard language, it
takes a little longer for the exact meaning to become apparent."
Cheers
Mark
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Hi all,
The current results of the poll on Sinitic linguistic policy at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Sinitic_linguistic_policy
:
25 support - 6 oppose (overall)
Some people expressed support or lack thereof for other
Sinitic-language Wikipedias, mostly Wu, Hakka, and Classical Chinese.
The voting instructions say that if you only want to support one of
them, but not the others, you should note it with your vote.
I don't know if people followed these instructions exactly, but if they did:
One person explicitly supported Cantonese and Wu but didn't support
Hakka, making the balance for Hakka:
24 support - 7 oppose.
One person who voted in the "oppose" section, noted that although they
are opposed to Wikipedias in Cantonese, Wu, and Hakka, they support a
Wikipedia in Classical Chinese.
I would like to close with a quote from that page from Jogloran, which
to me indicates the true nessecity for these Wikipedias:
"And one more thing. My mother tongue is Cantonese, not Mandarin, not
'Chinese', but specifically Cantonese. When I read through the sample
articles in Cantonese linked above, I was struck by how much clearer
it was to my mind. When I read a text written in standard language, it
takes a little longer for the exact meaning to become apparent."
Cheers
Mark
Hi all.
On the Interlingua Wikipedia has the default logotype that reads "The
Free Encyclopedia", in English.
Could someone furnish another one with the proper writing "Le
Encyclopedia Libere"?
Thanks,
Ensjo.
Why does this Digest, received early on the morning of 8/15/05 PST, start
off with two posts from the early days of the Klingon War, both dated
8/7/05, both of which I remember reading "way back when", and then shift to
more temporally appropriate content dated 8/14/05? (I've just kept partial
headers and incipits to show what I mean, excised the rest to save space
Haruo
On 8/15/05, wikipedia-l-request(a)wikimedia.org <
wikipedia-l-request(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> Today's Topics:
> 1. Re: Klingon Wikipedia locked (Mark Williamson)
> 2. Re: Klingon Wikipedia locked (Phroziac)
> 3. Re: 3 minutes on Public Domain (SJ)
> 4. Re: correction of errors in articles (Walter van Kalken)
> 5. Sphaera Mundi (NSK)
> 6. Re: Pennsylvania German Wikipedia? (SJ)
> 7. Re: correction of errors in articles (Walter van Kalken)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:33:00 -0700
> From: Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Klingon Wikipedia locked
>
> I have to wonder, is the Lojban Wikipedia next?
> ------------------------------
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:46:16 -0400
> From: Phroziac <phroziac(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Klingon Wikipedia locked
>
> Using the name Wikipedia, or whatever it is in Klingon, is probably a
> ------------------------------
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:17:44 +0300
> From: SJ <2.718281828(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] 3 minutes on Public Domain
>
> A loud hurrah! for that. Everyone should play through this short
> ------------------------------
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:54:59 +0700
> From: Walter van Kalken <walter(a)vankalken.net>
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] correction of errors in articles
>
> >Maybe in theory the wiki way is to just let anyone edit things to
> ------------------------------
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:58:12 +0300
> From: NSK <nsk2(a)wikinerds.org>
> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Sphaera Mundi
>
> On 1 August 2005 I decided to contribute an article from my wiki
> ------------------------------
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:11:26 +0300
> From: SJ <2.718281828(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Pennsylvania German Wikipedia?
>
> A good rule of thumb for 'enough people' is five people interested in
> ------------------------------
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:09:04 +0700
> From: Walter van Kalken <walter(a)vankalken.net>
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] correction of errors in articles
>
> Sabine Cretella wrote:
>
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A good rule of thumb for 'enough people' is five people interested in
maintaining it, each of whom is somewhat familiar with the language,
and at least one of whom is well versed in it.
I assume you know some Pennsylvania Dutch yourself?
--SJ, reminded of an HL Mencken book from the early 20th century that
went over the major dialects in the US and their vocabulary quirks in
surprising detail. (If you know the one I'm talking about, please
remind me of its title)
On 8/14/05, Jtkiefer <jtkiefer(a)wordzen.net> wrote:
> Josh Campfield wrote:
>
> >I wrote last year sometime about the possibility of adding a wikipedia
> >in Pennsylvania German/Pennsylvania Dutch. You said discuss it on the
> >Village Pump. I just put a message out on there asking what do other
> >people think. Pending what they say, what do you think about doing
> >this? It's a rapidly dying language, and besides perhaps helping to
> >revive it, the Wikipedia would have the distinction of being the first
> >encyclopedia ever published in Pennsylvania German. The ISO 3-letter
> >code is pdc.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Josh Campfield
> >joshcampfield(a)gmail.com
> >
> >
>
> It's an interesting idea but I don't think you'd be able to find enough
> people willing to add to it, edit it, and maintain it.
>
>
> -Jtkiefer
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Can you give some examples of Penn Dutch, and how it's unique/different from
Hochdeutsch?
Thanks,
James
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Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Pennsylvania German Wikipedia?
Josh Campfield wrote:
>I wrote last year sometime about the possibility of adding a wikipedia
>in Pennsylvania German/Pennsylvania Dutch. You said discuss it on the
>Village Pump. I just put a message out on there asking what do other
>people think. Pending what they say, what do you think about doing
>this? It's a rapidly dying language, and besides perhaps helping to
>revive it, the Wikipedia would have the distinction of being the first
>encyclopedia ever published in Pennsylvania German. The ISO 3-letter
>code is pdc.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Josh Campfield
>joshcampfield(a)gmail.com
>
>
It's an interesting idea but I don't think you'd be able to find enough
people willing to add to it, edit it, and maintain it.
-Jtkiefer
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Hi all. Someone just posted this to the Help Desk on en.wiki:
> The main page of Wikipedia in Afar Wikipedia in Afar has
> been vandalized, and whenever I try to find a non-vandalized
> version in the history, I am unable to do so. How would I go
> about solving this problem? Thank you.
http://aa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
I've had a look, and it's a mess... some weird page moves, a load of
deletions a while back... in fact, I can't find real content anywhere
on there. Anyone know what should be done?
--
- Andrew Gray
andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk
A loud hurrah! for that. Everyone should play through this short
piece, if only for the chance to see and hear a dozen Wikimedians. If
you can manage to broadcast it on a huge projection screen in the
middle of an auditorium, those of us in Frankfurt at the end of the
conference can live vicariously through you...
SJ
On 8/11/05, Jean-Baptiste Soufron <jbsoufron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I uploaded the small movie on Public Domain that we shooted with yannf
> and dannyisme during Wikimania:
>
> It's here in ogm:
>
> http://soufron.free.fr/soufron-spip/article.php3?id_article=99
>
> I will probably add other formats soon and I am ready to do some
> modifications if needed :)
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On 1 August 2005 I decided to contribute an article from my wiki
http://www.jnanabase.org in Wikipedia. My wiki is GFDL, just like Wikipedia.
I proceeded and copied the text from my wiki's article and I pasted it to a
new Wikipedia article [[Sphaera Mundi]]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphaera_Mundi
Because the article was written in my wiki (which has 1834 pages), I added a
standard attribution notice to cite the source, with a link back to my wiki's
original article, as per required by GFDL and Wikipedia's policy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_sources
On 3 August 2005 another Wikipedia user edited the article and added
categories. On 9 August 2005 a different user cleaned it up and disambiguated
some links.
On 12 August 2005, [[User:UninvitedCompany]], who is a sysop, removed the
attribution notice.
On 14 August 2005, [[User:Joe Kress]] (I don't know that user) re-added the
attribution notice, as Wikipedia's policy requires:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_sources
2 hours later UninvitedCompany removed the notice again. 3 hours later I added
again the notice.
We had some discussion with UninvitedCompany and he says the source of
[[Sphaera Mundi]]'s shouldn't be included in the article because it's an
"unreliable source" and because it's "spam", although my wiki appears in the
3rd position in a Google search for "sphaera mundi" and most other pages of
my website have a PageRank of 6, while the site has been slashdotted 4 times:
http://portal.wikinerds.org/taxonomy/term/49
According to the GFDL licence and copyright laws, proper attribution must be
provided. Citing where an article was copied from is not spam.
In a similar incident, I also copied an article from my wiki to a new
Wikipedia article with title [[Erhard Ratdolt]], with an attribution notice.
When UninvitedCompany removed the attribution notice, another sysop deleted
the article saying "copyvio of Wikinerds. Deleting." - and this shows that an
article copied from an external GFDL source into Wikipedia without proper
attribution is copyright violation and a violation of the GFDL licence.
If the notice is deleted again from [[Sphaera Mundi]] (or any other article
from my wiki without proper attribution), I will request its deletion.
This sysop also removed other attribution notices and various other edits I
have made, so I believe he is bullying me. I have requested mediation and I
have collected all evidence at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Www.wikinerds.org/Bullying
Please someone explain to this sysop that articles copied from external GFDL
wikis must contain proper attribution. We don't want our articles to appear
in Wikipedia without attribution of the source. If you don't want to include
the attribution link, please delete articles copied from Wikinerds.
--
Owner of http://www.wikinerds.org/
Owner of http://www.jnanabase.org/
>Maybe in theory the wiki way is to just let anyone edit things to
>their preference, but that's also the way to get hopelessly entangled
>in edit wars about nothing in particular. The Wikipedia way is to talk
>about it and reach an agreement. At least that's what I hope it is.
>
>
>
It is Andre :)
Waerth/Walter