Hi.
I think we shouldn't turn this into a debate about the
legitimacy of the Moldovan Wikipedia and the
perceptions of Romanian contributors on the Wikimedia
network.
What is important is that a proposal was approved,
fairly, by the majority of Moldovan Wikipedia users
which explicitly states, among other things, that the
interwiki descriptor should be changed. This change is
basically from "Moldovan" to "Moldovan (Cyrillic)".
Hence, I see no reason how that ties into Moldovan not
being a language or something like that. The reason
behind the change was to affirm the fact that the
Moldovan Wikipedia only really contains content in
Cyrillic script, and that Cyrillic script is neither
the only, nor the majority script in use.
Unfortunately, this mailing list doesn't support
Unicode it seems, so the characters couldn't be
displayed.
See
http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ronline/Propunere
to see how the change should be. I will file a report
at bugzilla about this - it seems this is the most
efficient way to change interwiki descriptors.
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Hi, I would like to know how it's possible to change
the name of the interwiki link for the Moldovan
language from the current
"молдовеняскэ"
to
"молдовеняскэ
(чириликэ)".
I talked to Node and he said I should contact a
developer, so if there are any developers reading this
and you have some spare time, I would be very thankful
if you could change it in this way for mo.wiki.
The reason behind the change is because such a change
was specified in the Ronline proposal that was
approved by the majority of Moldovan Wikipedia users
for the future of the wiki.
See:
http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ronline/Propunere#en:Proposal
The explanation is:
"Mo.wikipedia.org will be linked from other Wikipedias
using the name
"молдовеняскэ
(чириликэ)".
This is to signify that the link is to a Moldovan
(Cyrillic) page and that Moldovan is usually written
in Latin script."
It was basically a compromise after a huge round of
negotiations over at the Moldovan Wikipedia.
Thanks,
Ronline
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To the developers:
I would like to formally request the creation of a Wikipedia in Waray-Waray (also known as Waray, Samar-Leyte Visayan, Samareño etc.). I am a native speaker of the language. There are nine votes of support for the proposed wiki.
The details of the proposal are at the "Requests for new languages" page on Meta at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Waray-Waray_.28Sa…
There is also an existing Test-Wikipedia for Waray at the following address:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/war/
The bulk of the translation, editing, writing of articles for the Waray wiki will be done by myself and other native speakers.
Sincerely yours,
Harvey Fiji
en:User:Harvzsf
ceb:User:Harvzs
meta:User:Harvzsf
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Tim Starling <t.starling(a)physics.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>Emerson José Silveira da Costa wrote:
>
>
>>> http://ia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine:Wiki.png
>>>
>>> Back then I thought that merely naming it "wiki.png" would make it
>>> appear on the pages, but it seems that it doesn't work.
>>>
>>> What is missing?
>>
>>
>You also have to ask a developer to change the configuration files,
>which I've now done. I also took the liberty of resaving the file with
>an image editor, reducing its size to 8KB -- don't ask me how you
>managed to make it 67KB.
>
>
Thanks a lot for both actions! :-) As for the file, I don't know how it
came to be so big. I'm no expert in image editing, anyway. ¦´-(
Ensjo.
http://www.ensjo.net
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:59:31 -0400, Stephen Forrest wrote:
> For me, the obvious difference between the Klingon Wikipedia and other
> small wikipedias is that is both 1) very small and 2) a constructed
> language.
I think an important additional point is 3) it has an essentially closed
vocabulary (including derived forms).
This is something that e.g. Interlingue and Lojban, which Mark cited, do
not have (Lojban has a closed set of "root words" but an open set of
derived forms and borrowed words).
The closed vocabulary of Klingon (and, say, Sindarin) means that there
will inevitably be annoying gaps in vocabulary which require much
circumlocution to discuss many subjects, because new words "cannot" be
coined or borrowed, and combining existing words will be limited.
--Ph.
A giant thank you to Andrea! You put me on the right way :-)
Below please find the message I was searching for.
Un gigantesco grazie ad Andrea! Mi hai messo sulla via giusta :-)
In basso il messaggio che stavo cercando.
Ciao, Sabine
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: GFDL Clarification
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:23:02 +0200
From: Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com>
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505271324140.4830(a)mimosa.opentrend.net>
<d7ajq0$887$1(a)sea.gmane.org> <d7kab6$s7r$1(a)sea.gmane.org>
Phil Boswell wrote:
> Am I the only person stunned by the complete lack of logical progression
> here?
>
> A) The owners of the image agreed for it to be used on Wikipedia
> B) Therefore it can't be.
I think that's a perfectly logical progression, but it is missing a few
steps.
A) The owners of the image agreed for it to be used on Wikipedia, but
_only_ on Wikipedia."
B) Wikipedia is a _freely licensed_ encyclopedia, meaning that things on
Wikipedia may be used by lots and lots of people without them having to
ask permission
C) Therefore, even though something may be licensed to "Wikipedia only",
Wikipedia can not use it unless it is licensed under a free license.
--Jimbo
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1. message in EN
2. message in IT
Hi, I had a discussion about pictures and now I am in search of a very
specific e-mail where I read the answer. I cannot remember if this was
on the English or the Italian wikipedia-list. I already searched all the
messages I have here, but no way ... I cannot find it.
The question then was that on a certain wikipedia there were pictures
uploaded where the license was not "free" (gfdl or cc) - someone
answered that there was no space for pictures that were not under a
proper license, since they are not really free and therefore not useable
for wikipedia (since this content including pictures can be downloaded
and used anywhere else). I also remember that these pictures than had to
be deleted.
I am not sure on which wikipedia and how the complete discussion was -
does anyone remember?
Thank you !
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Ho avuto una discussione su immagini e ora sto cercando una risposta
specifica dove si trova la risposta. Non riesco a ricordare se allora si
trattava della lista inglese o italiana di wikipedia. Ho già cercato in
tutti i messaggi che ho qui, ma non riesco a trovare un bel nulla :-(
La questione allora era che su di una determinata wikipedia c'erano
delle immagini che non erano sotto una licenza "libera" (gfdl o cc) -
qualcuno ha risposto che non c'era spazio per immagini che non erano
sotto una licenza adatta perché non sono veramente liberi e quindi non
sono utilizzabili per wikipedia (perché i contenuti inclusi gli immagini
possono essere scaricati ed utilizzati da qualche altra parte). Ricordo
anche che queste immagini poi dovevano essere candellate.
Non sono sicura su quale wikipedia e come era tutta la discussione -
qualcuno si ricorda?
Grazie!
Ciao, Sabine
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Hi Mark!
My basic concern was that we should take a "step by step" approach here because the Sinitic issue is such a tricky one. The issue has revolved in circles for quite a while and so I'm happy we have reached a point where this poll can take place. The more languages we talk about the less unambiguous the result. Once Cantonese and Wu are launched one could start a new poll on further idioms.
Boris
wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org schrieb am 17.08.05 00:07:17:
You're quite right Boris what it says.
I'd forgotten.
But, I do not think we should ignore it if people vote explicitly for
the creation of further Sinitic Wikipedias, such as Hakka, Classical
Chinese, or even others which have not been contemplated much such as
Jin or Gan.
However, it certainly makes sense that unless people make it explicit
that they support or oppose more than just the exact proposal, we
should count them as supporting (or opposing) Cantonese [immediate]
and Wu [near future] only.
Cheers
Mark
On 16/08/05, Boris Lohnzweiger <BorisLohnzweiger(a)web.de> wrote:
>
> The poll is surely a step in the right direction but the voting itself really is a bit obsure. When I cast my vote - having read the instructions twice - I was pretty sure to ballot only on Cantonese (creation "right away") and Wu (creation "in the near future"). The way I got it the poll was not supposed to make a decision on any other Sinitic languages ("not exclude the possibility of Wikipedias in other Sinitic languages", i. e. a neutral attitude). Now, however, some users extend their vote to other languages. IMHO we should only count votes for Cantonese and Wu here.
>
> Boris
>
>
> wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org schrieb am 16.08.05 03:47:29:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The current results of the poll on Sinitic linguistic policy at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Sinitic_linguistic_policy
> :
>
> 25 support - 6 oppose (overall)
>
> Some people expressed support or lack thereof for other
> Sinitic-language Wikipedias, mostly Wu, Hakka, and Classical Chinese.
>
> The voting instructions say that if you only want to support one of
> them, but not the others, you should note it with your vote.
>
> I don't know if people followed these instructions exactly, but if they did:
>
> One person explicitly supported Cantonese and Wu but didn't support
> Hakka, making the balance for Hakka:
>
> 24 support - 7 oppose.
>
> One person who voted in the "oppose" section, noted that although they
> are opposed to Wikipedias in Cantonese, Wu, and Hakka, they support a
> Wikipedia in Classical Chinese.
>
> I would like to close with a quote from that page from Jogloran, which
> to me indicates the true nessecity for these Wikipedias:
>
> "And one more thing. My mother tongue is Cantonese, not Mandarin, not
> 'Chinese', but specifically Cantonese. When I read through the sample
> articles in Cantonese linked above, I was struck by how much clearer
> it was to my mind. When I read a text written in standard language, it
> takes a little longer for the exact meaning to become apparent."
>
> Cheers
> Mark
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Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>The Interlingua logo was created a long time ago, but was never made
>the logo of ia.wiki.
Really, here is the file:
http://ia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine:Wiki.png
Back then I thought that merely naming it "wiki.png" would make it appear on the pages, but it seems that it doesn't work.
What is missing?
Ensjo.
Sabine Cretella wrote:
> This is a general question - did I mention your name?
>
> And as I said before: I am not going to discuss things again - I am
> already in contact with some Palttdüütsch authors that publish
> liteature and articles in low saxon. There are more than just some
> writings.
You are going the Node way now? Everytime someone discusses something
with him he comes up with these mysterious off-wiki "experts" who he
quotes. I really would like it if you could solve it with the people who
are on-wiki if there is a problem. They are the people you work together
with. They ARE the community within wikimedia. Not some outsiders who
feel having to comment but not work together is a great thing to do.
And yes you DO need to discuss things things with fellow wikimedians.
They are the ones you work with, not some John Doe's
> Who is taking things from private to public is not me. On nds you can
> do whatever you want as long as the community supports you. You can
> use Werner's list as long as it is according to GFDL and he is
> mentioned as the author. I am going down to the basis as I don't like
> to go ahead by "xyz told me".
You are telling him that also. XYZ told me .....
>
>
> I am going ahead with universities, writers and the institute for
> lower saxon language I suppose this should be fine when it comes to
> credibility - and this is what you are trying to destroy - and I
> really don't like that.
He is not destroying anything. These outsiders are welcome to discuss
this themselves. I always hate discussion by proxy. and when people come
up with all kinds of mysterious friends to which others have to bow
because of their "alleged" expertise.
> On the one word you told me by e-mail that was a hundred percent error
> turned out to be used 186 times on the internet (I have a screenshot
> of google if you don't believe it) and I found the writer who used it
> in her texts - she's a reporter for a newspaper in North Germany and
> has been writing articles in Pattdüütsch vor over 13 years for them
> now. I also contacted her to ask her how to categorise her writings.
Another mysterious supporting source.
> So: anything is out of discussion here. I am not going let me impose
> things by anyone, I prefer research and adapt the contents we have to
> that..
And Heiko is not going to let you impose things upon him. Editwar anyone?
> Remeber: it is not a nice thing to take things to public only since
> you presume I was talking about you -
It is not a nice thing to ask community help and only paint half of the
picture, if you take things public name him/her so they got a chance to
present their side of the argument. It has been done to me a couple of
times by another wiktionarian and close friend of yours.
> I did not once mention your name and what I had/still have is a
> general question - it does not happen the first time that people know
> how to improve things, but just complain about others not doing as the
> writer supposes - and talking about wikis: this is not the way to go
> and that's it. It is a very general question. If you need proofs for
> that: they are there in the histories.
If someone contents something you should listen to them and go in a
discussion. Not just boldly go on and add the stuff elsewhere!
Ciao,
Waerth/Walter
