whenever a request is sent to Wikipedia with the following header, the
result is Error 403:
User-Agent: W3C-checklink/4.1 [4.14] libwww-perl/5.803
The resulting document has a XHTML 1.0 Strict definition, but it is not
valid XHTML 1.0 Strict - see
http://topjaklont.student.utwente.nl/invalid.html and try to validate
Why is Error 403 served at all? As for example www.sp.nl proves,
W3C-checklink can obey robots.txt. It also sleeps one second between
each request, so it does a fair job in throttling. What's the problem
Weather in Twenthe, Netherlands 27/02 16:25:
-3.0°C wind 6.3 m/s NNE (57 m above NAP)
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist.
-Dwight David Eisenhower, January 17, 1961
I would like to request adding Quenya to the list of languages on Wikimedia.
Quenya is the language of the elves in the works of Tolkien. Other fictional
languages, such as Klingon, already exist on Wikipedia. I speak passing
Quenya. I have already prepared several articles, including one on
constellations, and would like to add them to a quenya-language wiki.
Firsfron on Wikipedia.
Hi, attempting to access it.wiktionary.org where I am admin I receive
the note: The connection was refused when attempting to contact
Trying to access other wikimedia sites including en.wiktionary. org,
scn, nl etc. I don't have problems - so what could be the problem?
Thanks for any hint!
Forwarding from foundation-l to wikipedia-l since there was no
reaction on that list....
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:43:52 +0200
Subject: [Foundation-l] Võro Vikipeediä
Dear members of the foundaton,
I'm a user of Estonian (Võrok) and English Wikipedia (Võrolang) and a
researcher and activist of the Võro language spoken in Estonia. Võro
(native name Võro
or Võro kiil´) belongs to the Finnic branch of the Finno-Ugric
languages. It has about
70.000 speakers mostly in southern Estonia.
Language codes (not yet official) are Vro and Vr. See more about Võro in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Võro and http://www.wi.ee/.
I and my friends would like to begin with Võro language Wikipedia. We
Estonian language file to Võro (actually we have already started) and begin with
creation of new articles. Of course your objection may be that there are too few
speakers of Võro. Yes, but the speakers are quite active and
computerized people and
the Võro language community needs an encyclopedia in their own
language. I'm sure the
number of potential editors in Võro is not smaller than the Kashoub,
Faroese or Saami's or many other small languages' one. I have
discussed the idea of
Võro Wikipedia with Estonian Wikipedia developers: Andres, Ker, Klaus etc.
They are supporting the idea and will help us. I hope you will support us too.
Best regards, Võrolang -- 22.214.171.124 11:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
> Ray Saintonge wrote:
>> I would call Sabine's comment realistic rather than pedantic. I
>> realize that technophiles dream of these artificial solutions, but
>> the best they can realistically hope for is competent interpretation
>> of technical material. When it comes to metaphor technophiles are
>> playing in the right field of dreams. (I wonder how a machine would
>> translate that into the language of people who know nothing about
> Off-list since this is getting off-topic, but I was implying that my
> comment was pedantic---I agree with Sabine as a practical matter, but
> she was arguing that in principle it is *impossible* for machine
> translation to meet the quality of human translation, which I think is
> incorrect. It is, however, correct that it will not do so in the near
I don't know about it being off-topic. It does have a bearing on how we
approach Africa. If machine translation were effective it would make
the task of going into Africa a lot easier. I simply do not share your
unbounded optimism about the future of technology. Of course, in the
nightmare scenario there will always be the HAL who will need to be
reminded that he should stick to "A Bicycle Build for Two."
> The essential observation is that humans are, according to one line of
> thinking, themselves nothing more than biological machines.
> Therefore, by definition, anything a human can do is something a
> machine can do, because we already have an example of a machine that
> can do it. All that's left is the engineering problem of how to build
> such a machine ourselves. It could either be a workalike (e.g. wait
> for neuroscientists to document the exact functioning of the brain,
> and simulate that in a computer), or else it could be something
> radically different that still does things we'd consider as requiring
The premise that humans are biological machines does not have unanimous
support. What you say may very well follow logically from that premise,
but others will see it as a kind of GIGO argument
> The "proof" for this as in principle possible is by contradiction: If
> we assume it's impossible, that means that humans must be something
> other than a glob of matter that obeys the laws of physics. Thus,
> there must be something magical about humans. That's an assumption
> many people aren't willing to make, which means that they must then
> therefore accept that humans are in essence machines, albeit
> fantastically complex ones.
The glob of matter as matter may very well obey the laws of physics, but
which physics? Does that necessarily exclude obeying additional laws?
The leap to magic, like the leap to faith, involves jumping to
conclusions. I'm just as unwilling as you to make that leap, but that
still does not lead me to the conclusion that you derive. Rather it
leads me to a lot of unanswered questions. What, for example, is the
role of intuition? I'm not prepared either to accept my own speculative
theories as an answer, or to confuse that speculation with objective
truth. That would be engaging in pseudoscience. I am, however,
prepared to live with the uncertainty that some questions may not be
answerable. I think that a proof by contradiction can only work if ALL
the contradictory possibilities are known and have been explored.
Dear Mark W.,
At 05:09 23/02/2005 +0000, Mark Williamson wrote to Stan Shebs:
>"Thanks" for the advice.
>I have some for you, too - cool off a bit, and quit acting so
>condescending. It's very irritating, even in small doses. And as I have
>noted before, while friendly advice is usually appreciated by me, when it
>is given in a tone like this it really doesn't help anybody.
As someone who has supported you before (even though I have no way of
telling whether you appreciated it), I ask you to break a little bit there
-- Stan Shebs' advice wasn't *that* bad, actually... It is easy for us all
to sound a bit condescending at times (and you probably think I sound
condescending right now), but you sound more than a bit condescending (and,
frankly, a bit irritating (since you brought up that term)) yourself at
times, you know ....
I think this may be a good time for you to step back a bit and rethink your
Listen to Stan -- and give what he said some thought. It won't hurt. You
don't need to post all your thoughts about it here (or anywhere else, at
that) -- but please try to listen. Maybe you find that he isn't right. But
in that case, maybe you could make your own life easier by finding out
why/how people misunderstand you -- and then find ways of avoiding these
I appreciate very much your struggle for "small"-language wikipedias, Mark.
I have also seen you contribute in many other great ways., and I hope that
you will continue the struggle for Wikipedia to become ever more democratic
and diverse within the limits of truth and humanism. But in this struggle,
one needs both a strong conviction AND a level of humility (!) and
flexibility (!!!) that allows people not to be driven away from the good cause.
I have defended you before, and will be happy to do so again as long as I
see that you do positive things for Wikipedia. But sometimes it is time to
listen and learn for all of us -- even for you.
On Day 3 (Sunday 20 February eastern US timezone since PayPal data are not
available in UTC) we made $7881.66 (USD equivalent) through PayPal and $64 (USD
equivalent) through MoneyBookers (no updates available for other sources at
As expected the total daily figures are dropping now that the initial
excitement surrounding the start of the fund drive is subsiding. But I also
expect a surge in new donations as we approach our fund drive goal (as occurred
in the last fund drive). Either way, it does now appear that we will reach our
goal (US$75,000) before the scheduled end of the fund drive (Friday 11 March).
Day 3 Day 2 comparison
PayPal USD equiv USD equiv %change
AUD 418.59 $330.90 $257.81 28.35%
CAD 294.86 $238.93 $171.61 39.23%
EUR 2108.06 $2,755.66 $3,078.43 -10.49%
GBP 367.21 $696.89 $862.28 -19.18%
JPY 20990 $198.96 $257.66 -22.78%
USD 3596.33 $3,596.33 $4,888.47 -26.43%
PayPal total: $7,817.66 $9,516.25 -17.85%
64 $362.69 -82.35%
TOTAL $7881.66 $9,878.94 -20.22%
Grand totals so far (only counting complete days)
PayPal USD equiv % grand total
AUD 1125.1 $889.39 3.14%
CAD 934.92 $757.57 2.67%
EUR 7979.65 $10,431.00 36.78%
GBP 1322.28 $2,509.42 8.85%
JPY 82222 $779.38 2.75%
USD 12567.09 $12,567.09 44.31%
PayPal total: $27,933.85
GRAND TOTAL $28,360.54 100.00%
For the most recent grand total and other details visit
Some selected comments from Day 3:
"Congratulations on keeping up such a sucessful and valuable internet
resource!" by Shaon Diwakar
"Wikipedia is amazing, I'm glad to have the opportunity to donate" by Anonymous
"My first time here. Thanks for improving civilization." by Anonymous
"Thank you so much for this fantastic source of knowledge!" by Thibaut Devulder
"This is what the internet is all about - open access to knowledge." by Jonas
"One of those little big things that makes me proud of being a human. Great
idea for humanity. Thank you!" by Omar Franco Guerrero
"I like the way it helps freedom in education, I believe this could bring us
far" by Louis-Alexandre Marceau
"Wikipedia is a brilliant idea, a worthy project, and a vital resource.
Thanks." by Anonymous
"Thanks for running the most exciting knowledge resource online!" by John
"Possibly the greatest project ever undertaken by humankind, wish I had more to
give" by Anonymous
"Free access to information is the key to prosperity!" by Simon Roby
"Amazing! That's what you are. Keep up the good work." by Anonymous
"Knowledge is power. Thankyou Wikimedia for empowering the masses -
[[en:User:Ae-a]]" by Anonymous
Some of my favorites:
"You got me! I found your entries on Terry Pratchett and the Discworld series
and just knew I had to support you!" by Deborah Hays
"Wikipedia, AKA the Degree Saver! Many thanks" by Tom Graham
"The legacy of Alexandria lives on" by Anonymous
"Destroyer of productivity - and yet I feel worthwhile for spending so much
time here." by Barry Petchesky
"Because the world needs an encyclopedia with a full Pokemon section." by
"Encouraged by the open accounting. And the great product." by Matthew Elvey
"Before I knew about Wikipedia, I was afraid. I thought most people in the
world were jerks, bigots, or just plain bad people. Then, while looking around
at wikipedia and seeing how it worked, I couldn't see how that could be true.
Wikipedia just could not exist if it was true: if bad people outnumbered,
outgunned, and out-shouted the good. I came to the conclusion that more people
in the world were good than bad. That the chances were good that the man you
bumped on the train is a good person, that the lady behind the cash register is
a good person, that the bus driver is a good person. Wikipedia restored my
faith in humanity, and my outlook on life has changed because of it. Thank
you." by Christopher Hutten-Czapski
"--wait, thank YOU!" by Ruth Temple
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On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:David_Gerard/1.0 , en:User:Payo1
raises this interesting question:
Would it be possible to find some schools in developing countries that
do have internet access and track what articles their students access
for a couple of months? We might even be able to identify gaps in
content by looking at their failed searches.--Payo1 10:21, 23 Feb 2005
This is regarding selection of articles needed for a paper Wikipedia.
Is such a query feasible or framable? This might be of use!
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. just relaunched its website. It contains an
official weblog that will be used for announcements (mainly in German).
All messages are also directly posted to vereinde-l(a)wikipedia.org.