>You need to get explicit approval to run any bot.
>
>That's it. Anything less than that, and you shouldn't be
running a bot.
>
>Simple. This is the rule for everyone.
Then why didn't anyone, including you, tell me about it when
I posted about using bots? If no one knows that rule, it is
not the rule.
Again, I am not talking about how to use bots but fairness.
>The Cunctator has pointed out that one hour is not
sufficient time to
>assume that it's okay because nobody has objected, and
that, for
>technical reasons, the only way he could stop your bot was
to block
>your IP address temporarily.
Technically speaking, he can say at least something if he
checks the villag pump. It seems to me like I say I am going
to rub and people are wating until I actually did!
And actually I waited not about a hour but one and half hour.
I am saying it is unfair that even sysops have time to
dicuss but they didn't. They can simply say don't do it or
wait. And then how long should I have waited? A day, a week,
a month?
>Have you looked at the [[Wikipedia: Bots]] page?
Yeah.
http://ia.wikipedia.com/ seems to have based its (single!) language link
list on the English one - hence there is one language missing from it -
English!
I only came across interlingua for the first time yesterday. It's a
fascinating concept, and I find that with my limited French (2 years of
study 20 years ago) I can follow 75% of an interlingua text, even before
studying its grammar.
--
Richard Grevers
Christchurch, NZ.
Every time I go to the Recent Changes page, I have "You have new messages" at the top of the page, even though there's nothing new on my Talk page.
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Hello !
I just wanted to introduce you to our new HomePage at
http://fr.wikipedia.org/
We went over quite many transformations, and I think
we are still not done with all of them yet :-)
Specific french features are
* the logo (which I hope we'll update to better fit
our new colors)
* a quite colourful design, with our special colored
little dots and text areas
* a brand new reorganisation of the different
headings, with move and creation of items.
* an announcement community area
In particular, we proceeded
- to make less proeminent "sciences" (in particular
technics and applied sciences) which were maybe a
little bit overrepresented compared to real life and
lay wo-men concerns.
- move such fields like philosphy to human sciences
where it seems to us to belong; add cognitive sciences
to human sciences
- introduce ecology and universe sciences in the
natural sciences heading
- separate fields such as "industry" and "business"
(which at least in France represent the 2nd and the
3rd sector in economy, and as such are separated)
- make more proeminent an entire heading dealing with
Politics, Law and Society (and introduce notions of
family, defense and environment management)
- give more room to religion...
- make a brand new heading about daily life (with
topics such as nutrition, health, sexology...) - to
get more in touch with everyday matters and questions
...
The announcement community area is still a bit
controversial. It seems there is an agreement for the
existence of this area (when there is need for an
announcement that is...), but not on what should be
allowed to be in.
For example, Francis put an announcement for last
saturday Peace March (with either official support
from some, or silent support or misinterest from
others), announcement which stayed there for nearly 24
hours before Curry removed it for being
non-encyclopedic.
However, this argument doesnot hold any more if the
announcement is clearly set in the community area :-)
Anyway, the new homepage is welcomed, and the
refactoring opened quite a few wide areas, on which
all french-speaking are invited to get wild.
Anth�re
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The interview is fairly accurate. A few discrepancies between what I
said (or thought I said) and why was reported, but nothing material.
Let me just comment on two paragraphs:
>"For example, there are always two or three people working on
>television programs, so we have a lot of coverage there, but then
>there are a group of people who are history buffs, specifically on
>World War II," he said.
I would say that I actually gave "World War II" buffs as an example of
the type of person who might have comprehensive knowledge of a
particular area, even without formal training. I'm not at all sure
that it's accurate to say that we actually have a "group of" them,
although our WWII coverage is certainly good in places.
>"It really depends on who comes in. We have an MIT (Massachusetts
>Institute of Technology) mathematician who works on it almost every
>day so we have excellent coverage of mathematical concepts for a
>general encyclopedia."
I would say that I actually gave Michael Hardy (a net friend of mine
for many years) as an example of a type of person who might have
comprehensive knowledge in a certain area AND with formal training,
and as an example of the high caliber of credentials some of our
contributors have. There's no question that his contributions in the
math area are good, but the way this is written, it makes him seem
responsible for the whole math section, which isn't really fair to
many others.
Anyhow, it's a good article!
--Jimbo
On Saturday 22 February 2003 10:40 am, Takuya Murata wrote:
> I understand some people dislike bots, some including me
> don't care. But the problem is this is not fair at all. I
> posted in Village Pump that I am going to use bots, and I
> waited and see for about one hour then because no one shows
> any complain, I started to use bots. Then my ip address is
> blocked. Since that I can't edit any page in wikipedia, I
> posted this mail to here.
One hour was not long enough. A few days to a week for something like this is
warrented so that most people can respond. I responded right away and in fact
only had one minor complaint about the format. But other people may have had
other issues to express - if only they had the time.
> Am I frustrated? Yes, I am little because I think I am being
> treaded a kind of unfair.
How about considering what is fair for everybody else that is using Recent
Changes? What about what is fair for people who really don't like
microarticles polluting the article database? Perhaps somebody who was asleep
could have helped you find a database you could use to add more data to the
generated articles? Considering what is fair to other Wikipedians is also
important. One hour just doesn't cut it.
Have you read our policy on bots yet? Please do - it explains the pros, cons
and procedures.
--Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
WikiKarma
Added a bunch of events to [[February 18]]; updated all the year pages and
many of the other articles linked from that page.
>Because it's your responsibility to find out, not mine to
tell you. And now
>you've been told.
This claim should be against the principle of wiki
community. We *all* are responsible for what we *all* are
doing. If someone did something against the policy, I am
going to stop it because I am responsible for what he is
doing too.
>Wikipedia is a collaboration--and that collaboration is
founded upon the
>presumption that each participant is responsible for
his/her actions. If
>errors are made, others will help correct them.
No. We are making things together not each one is making
things with help of others.
>I'm not blaming you for your action, but you're blaming me
for mine.
Yes, because you can tell me about the rule before I started
using bots? Once again, why didn't you tell me? The job of
sysops should include not only catch the mis-behavior but
also prevent it if possible. You can stop before I actually
did me but you didn't. Why is that?
>I am not talking about fairness but about how to use bots.
Then talk about fairness. I don't have any objection about
how to use bots. See I am not using bots now.
Hello,
sorry, I just can't stop posting today ;-) I paid the Japanese Wikipedia a
visit today and besides lots of strange characters I couldn't read and
much activity on recentchanges I saw on their statistics page that they
had over 2000 pages but only 200 described as articles. That seems rather
dubious to me...
Our article count is based on commas, isn't it? Is Japanese a language
without commas?
And my other question: I wanted to put an interlanguage link to them on
the German Mainpage, but copy and paste didn't work. So I wanted to ask
someone but all pages are in Japanese... Could someone of the Japanese
Wikipedia (is there anyone here?) set up one page in English, f.e. a
Japanese embassy?
Later I found out that [[ja:HomePage]] worked, without any strange
characters...
greetings,
elian
If there's consensus that we want a mascot, I suggest putting a call for
suggestions on all the mainpages, with a link to an English page on Meta.
That might seem like overkill, but I really think we should use the wiki
process here. There are many species -- prehistoric animals, insects,
animals living only in a single, small world region -- which are largely
unknown, yet unbelievably photogenic. I also think that any mascot we
choose should reflect the fact that we are a cooperative, social project,
in other words, it should be a social animal or insect. Dolphins, whales,
ants, bees etc. all work nicely. Of course, we could also choose a monkey
sitting behind a typewriter ;-)
With a cooperative process, who knows what we might come up with.
This is also, like the logo, a case where we eventually need to set up a
vote, period.
Regards,
Erik