The Cunctator has pointed out that one hour is not
sufficient time to
assume that it's okay because nobody has objected, and
that, for
technical reasons, the only way he could stop your bot was
to block
your IP address temporarily.
Technically speaking, he can say at least something if he checks the villag pump. It seems to me like I say I am going to rub and people are wating until I actually did!
And actually I waited not about a hour but one and half hour.
I am saying it is unfair that even sysops have time to dicuss but they didn't. They can simply say don't do it or wait. And then how long should I have waited? A day, a week, a month?
Have you looked at the [[Wikipedia: Bots]] page?
Yeah.
On 2/22/03 12:31 PM, "Takuya Murata" takusi@manjiro.net wrote:
The Cunctator has pointed out that one hour is not
sufficient time to
assume that it's okay because nobody has objected, and
that, for
technical reasons, the only way he could stop your bot was
to block
your IP address temporarily.
Technically speaking, he can say at least something if he checks the villag pump. It seems to me like I say I am going to rub and people are wating until I actually did!
And actually I waited not about a hour but one and half hour.
I am saying it is unfair that even sysops have time to dicuss but they didn't. They can simply say don't do it or wait. And then how long should I have waited? A day, a week, a month?
You need to get explicit approval to run any bot.
That's it. Anything less than that, and you shouldn't be running a bot.
Simple. This is the rule for everyone.
Takuya Murata wote:
Technically speaking, he can say at least something if he checks the villag pump. It seems to me like I say I am going to rub and people are wating until I actually did!
And actually I waited not about a hour but one and half hour.
I am saying it is unfair that even sysops have time to dicuss but they didn't. They can simply say don't do it or wait. And then how long should I have waited? A day, a week, a month?
Have you looked at the [[Wikipedia: Bots]] page?
Yeah.
Remember that many people on Wikipedia will be in a different time-zone to you. It was before 5 in the morning for me when you posted at the pump so I was very asleep (I'm not a sysop, but the same would apply for many of them I'm sure). And even if they are on similar timings to you, not everyone checks the pump, or the mailing list very often (well OK, I do several times a day and I know several other people do as well (Hi mav!) but you can't count on that for everyone).
I think the most important part of the [[Wikipedia:Bots]] page from your point of view, is the part about bots being registered. That way they have explicit permission and won't show up on Recent changes where they will cause the most annoyance.
Perhaps adjusting the bot to add a little more content to each article will also make it more welcome (if you have agreement to use it first I mean). Maybe the articles could at least say what the author has written?
sannse
Takuya Murata wrote:
wait. And then how long should I have waited? A day, a week, a month?
A day or a week sounds good to me. We love bots, but it's good for people to talk it over first, because usually the bots can be much improved with some discussion, and because a bad bot could do a lot of harm. And I am NOT saying that yours is bad, mind you! I haven't even seen what it does yet.
--Jimbo
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