Anthere to Toby:
> >however, wouldn't it be a good idea to have sysops be
> >sysops for all languages?
> >If this were the case I would pop into several
> >different languages periodically to check for obvious
> >vandalism.
> >En.wiki has sysops watching it 20-24 hours a day so
> >if en.wiki sysops popped in to check various other
> >languages periodically (esp. during the no, or slow
> >edit times you talk about) then that should provide
> >better coverage against the most blatant >goat sex
> >type vandalism and vandal bots.
>
> That's a tough point really.
> Theoretically, it sounds natural that somebody trusted
> for one wiki should be trusted on another (though, to
> be honest...I am not convinced myself).
> Practically, that's could be a problem unfortunately.
> The english wiki process while deciding who should be
> a sysop or not is done through peer review (general
> behavior, respect to the community standards...). But,
> communities don't have the same standards, and what is
> ok on one could be hardly tolerable on another. And
> the tobe-sysop being not known, how would it be ok to
> accept somebody you don't know (say would you blindly
> accept Shaihulud as a sysop ?), while you reject
> somebody you know, just on the behalf he is refusing
> to change his name ?
>
> I know you Mav, so I would say "yes, please, come and
> help us", and I thank you very much for your
> proposition. But why would other french agree for
> somebody they don't know to have more admin "power"
> than they have ?
>
> Btw, didnot tmc changed his name as the community was
> 'kindly' asking him ?
I don't think I should be a sysop on a wiki whose language I can't read and write well (e.g., Français). I have caused enough trouble on Wiki-EN speaking my native language (English) with French speakers. Imagine how many people I could offend if I went global: Où est la plume de ma tante? Quelle dommage! Vive La France! Cherchez la femme! L'état, c'est moi!
About le coq... TMC refused to change his name. He said he would leave Wiki-EN if we changed it. Jimbo insisted that TMC's old name was "vandalism" and asked the developers to change it. A few days later, Brion changed it. Since then, I haven't heard anything from TMC.
Ed Poor, aka [[user:Edmond Le Pauvre]]
I was thinking of applying this "special power" only for the case of:
* an anonymous user, i.e., IP address
* when a sysop would really rather talk than ban
I see this as being LESS powerful a move than simply clicking the "ban this IP" link.
Ed Poor
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Sanger [mailto:lsanger@nupedia.com]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:00 PM
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: RE: [Wikipedia-l] a way to contact IP users
Ed,
I know you mean very well, and that you're trying to help solve an
important problem, but I'm generally opposed to giving admins any special
powers that they do not already have have. Maybe give everyone this
power?
Isn't there another way to achieve what you are trying to achieve?
Larry
> I didn't understand the "Village gai" stuff. It sounds
>like a discussion about the [[gay village]] article, which
>in turn sounds like the idea of calling parts of various
>cities "Chinatown". As in, "I went to Chinatown last night
>and ate eggrolls at a Chinese restaurant."
Let me explain: In Montreal, the [[gay village]] ([[fr:Quartier gay]]) is called Le [[Village gai]] ([[fr:Village gai de Montréal]] - no fr:articles yet). The reason I was insisting that this be spelled "gai" and not "gay" in the [[fr:Montréal]] article is because that is how it is spelt by the city government of Montreal, who more or less officially recognize it, put it on tourist maps, promote it as an attraction, etc., etc. Le Village gai is its official name, so that's how I think it should be spelt, regardless of other arguments about gai/gay.
Matt
Pierre replied to Ed:
> > I would really like everyone to stop throwing around the word
> > "vandalism" except in the narrowly-described cases of:
> > * scribbling graffiti, like "Hi, I'm a newbie"
> > * deleting a page without explanation
> > * obvious obscenity
>
> "Hi, I'm a newbie" is not vandalism. It's a newbie experiment. OTOH IMHO,
> repeatedly changing Athens to Istanbul in [[Greece]] is vandalism, though it
> is none of the above.
>
> phma
You're right. I stand corrected.
Let's not even brand newbies who experiment with little bits of graffiti as "vandals". They're just pushing the buttons to see if they work.
We ought to make a concerted effort to encourage newbies to stick around and learn our ways. Any ideas?
Ed Poor
Khendon wrote:
Wed 11/20:
> I've been here a few months now; can I be a sysop, please?
Mon 11/25:
> about me being "promoted" to SysOp - I don't want to hassle
> you all, but I don't want you to forget either ;-)
> Jason Williams [jason(a)jasonandali.org.uk]
There being no objections...
Khendon, you are now a sysop. Congratualations, and remember always to use your power for good not for evil :-)
Ed Poor
I will be going with my wife and dauther to visit my parents for the
Thanksgiving holidays. We will be leaving here (Florida) on Tuesday
morning early, and returning the following Monday. My parents do have
broadband access, so I will be able to get online some, but I won't be
giving my usual daily attention to the mailing list.
I give a greenlight to sysops and developers to continue and extend
the ban on Lir to new i.p.'s, usernames, and the like, as necessary.
If this person continues to post in violation of the ban, then I'll
see what I can do to prevent this vandalism at the source. This
includes, if necessary, removing Lir from the mailing list in the
event of more smartass defensive remarks.
Try to avoid mistakes. :-) And try not to argue about it on the list.
I request that we all just take a little break from fussing about Lir,
Lir's user page, etc. I just protected Lir's user page, to give a
break from people feeling a need to fight about it. If Lir decides
not to continue at wikipedia in the future, we can just delete the
page permanently, so it really doesn't matter either way what is done
with it now.
> But no reason for either one of them to clutter up the Recent Changes
> page with minor edits. If I am looking at the last 200 changes, every
> chess move subtracts one possibly interesting change from my list. I
> think it is bad manners.
I didn't think playing chess would be such a big deal! In reality I probably
only make at *most* 10 minor edits per *day* playing chess. That is nothing.
One person who is save happy will make that in 1 minute. I don't mind ceasing
such activities if people so desire, but I don't enjoy being a scapegoat.
Ram-Man
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