On Tuesday 19 November 2002 03:37 pm, Erik Moeller wrote:
> > For example,
> > 1. more powerful ways of searching and sorting edits,
> > 2. more powerful ways of rolling back edits
>
> I strongly support this, but let's be careful not to lose article
> histories.
I hate to do this but: Yes me too!
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Old hands on en.wiki should already know my very strong position on this issue
but PLEASE move talk that only concerns (or even MOSTLY concerns) en.wiki to
the English mailing list. If policy ideas are generated at wikien-l that
might be useful for the larger community then we can move discussion to the
general policy mailing list for the whole project (HINT: Wikipedia-L).
--mav
toby wrote:
>Whether or not KQ actually blocked the vandal,
>he did block somebody else. Hotlorp had just returned,
>and he managed to get in 3 edits before he was blocked again.
>He emailed me again (no contact information for KQ)
>and I unblocked the IPs when I got the message (just before 24:00 UCT).
My email is on my userpage, and there's also of course the "email this
user" function on each userpage--neither of which, unfortunately,
would have been any help, as I left town to shoot 2 interviews for a film.
As for the snafu I participated in, I'm still more than a little
confused. Suffice it to say I've had enough of banning for awhile.
kq
The Cunctator Wrote:
>No, seriously, how about not blocking?
>
>If you try to think of solutions to our problems that don't involve
>blocking, the solutions are generally much cleaner.
>
>For example,
>1. more powerful ways of searching and sorting edits,
>2. more powerful ways of rolling back edits
>3. Bayesian filtering of contributions
>
>I see #3 as an interesting solution that would deal with most of our
>problems.
>
>http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/background.html
I'd support trying it. The current system is frequently inaccurate
and unfair, even without human or technical error.
how would it be implemented? who has the power and interest to try it?
kq
Well, how about making the name of the article "Confucius", since that's the best known anglicization of his name -- but in the first paragraph of the article reveal his REAL name.
We could do the same for countries: the [[South Korea]] article should include Tae-Han Min-Gook with the Korean script and Chinese characters.
Ed Poor
The Cunctator:
>>How about not blocking?
Toby:
>An obvious solution to the problems of this weekend.
>But I don't think that you'll get the rest of Wikipedia
>to go along with your suggestion.
>Do you think that the other ideas will make things better?
Assuming people are allowed to continue blocking, could we modify the
blocked IP log to list who's blocked when, and when unblocked (this
would require breaking every 50 entries or so off onto an archive).
Toby, Laurence, and I could not figure out at what time I blocked the
.96 and .98 IPs. I had a range it could have been in, Toby had one
also; we probably got within 15 minutes or so.
kq
>I still think the "VANDALISM in progress" page is a terribly named page
>which encourages juvenile behavior, and the ALL CAPS SHOUTING is
>entirely unnecessary, especially now that we have watchlists.
I think the shouting should go, too, and for the same reason.
kq
Oi, veh.
I already apologized for the "F.A." episode -- which was half a dozen Wikipedia edits to call attention to this very issue. I won't be doing it again; that's implicit in the apology.
Also, I never post on weekends: I'm too busy.
Maybe we need to go with the "grey list" & "e-mail authentication" ideas that Neil Harris proposed.
Ed Poor
tarquin wrote:
> seems we have multiple vandals:
>
> * TMC (though whether it's the same as the
> TMC we know of old, who knows)
I had no involvement with any edits made as "TMC".
Whatever happened on Saturday (when the above was
sent), I missed it.
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Erik Moeller wrote:
>>Looks good. I think H2G2 (http://www.h2g2.com) deserves to be listed, it
has much stricter and more consistent quality control than Everything2.<<
Thanks!
Done! Any other suggestions??? It's easy to add new sources.
Larry (still struggling to stay off the list ;-) )
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