Wikipedia-l January 2002

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Recent changes page logging seems broken
by Larry Sanger 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

This might or might not be related to the problem F. Lee Horn pointed out on the wiki today: I've noticed that I made several edits, today, that were not logged at all in the Recent Changes page, even though mine is the most recent edit. For example, right now, I'm the person who has most recently edited [[The rationality of atheism]] as you can see on http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?action=history&id=The_rationality_of_athe… but on [[Recent Changes]], revision 12 made at 9:52 PM, by 64.71.228.xxx, appears. I've idly puzzled about this several times before this. Ugh. And you know, for such an active day as today has been (and it really has been, you know, if the referrer log stats are correct), we have had relatively few edits appearing on [[Recent Changes]]. This really is a problem that needs to be solved, because we're apt to have more traffic if some news organization writes up the press release, and we've got to be able to monitor the new folks (to say nothing of the older folks :-) ). Larry

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] More female Wikipedians
by Julie Kemp 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

Ummmm not unless we add a list for Wikipedia/men...but then we might get more lists of classifications than we need! Besides, It's kind of fun watching people figure out that I'm a person of the gyno-persuasion! JHK --- wikipedia-l-request(a)nupedia.com wrote: > Send Wikipedia-l mailing list submissions to > wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://www.nupedia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > wikipedia-l-request(a)nupedia.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikipedia-l-admin(a)nupedia.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikipedia-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Incorrect HTML encoding--something > new? (lcrocker(a)nupedia.com) > 2. More female Wikipedians (sgilbert(a)nbnet.nb.ca) > 3. Press release tomorrow: Wikipedia Day! (Larry > Sanger) > 4. Re: More female Wikipedians (Simon Kissane) > 5. Re: Re: wiki source cvs (David Merrill) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:35:17 -0800 > From: lcrocker(a)nupedia.com > To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Incorrect HTML > encoding--something new? > Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format... > > ------------=_1011044117-15411-0 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary > > The way theyare now (HTML4 Trans., ISO-8859-1) is > great. In the > future we can tweak the sotware if we need to > generate something > else, since the data is unambiguous. > > >I have no _particular_ opinions. All I want is for > our pages to work > >in all browsers. What should I do? > 0 > ------------=_1011044117-15411-0-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: sgilbert(a)nbnet.nb.ca > To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:13:20 -0400 > Subject: [Wikipedia-l] More female Wikipedians > Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > > > > > PS- Are there no other women taking part in > this? I feel a bit like I've > > > > snuck into the boys room. ;) > > > > > > :-) Ruth Ifcher is around (RoseParks on > wikipedia) and Janet Davis > > > writes a lot on the Wikipedia. I'm not sure if > they are on the > > > mailing list, though. Oh, and there's also > PinkUnicorn. > > > > Let's not forget JHK, --April, and Dreamyshade, to > name three of the more > > hard-working females. There are quite a few > others, too. Wikipedia is > > definitely male-dominated, though, which I agree > is regrettable. > > > > Larry > > There's also Claudine Chionh, H. Jonat and BF, since > we're > counting. :) > > - Stephen Gilbert > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:34:09 -0800 (PST) > From: Larry Sanger <lsanger(a)nupedia.com> > To: <wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com> > Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Press release tomorrow: > Wikipedia Day! > Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > > Hi all, > > If all goes according to plan, the press release > should come out tomorrow, > which is "Wikipedia Day" (our first anniversary). > This might or might not > bring in lots of traffic. Be ready, Militia > members! Get into a > welcoming mood, Welcoming Committee members! :-) > > Larry > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:29 -0800 (PST) > From: Simon Kissane <sj_kissane(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] More female Wikipedians > To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > > --- sgilbert(a)nbnet.nb.ca wrote: > [snip] > > There's also Claudine Chionh, H. Jonat and BF, > since > > we're counting. :) > Maybe it's time for [[Wikipedians/Female]]? :) > > > - Stephen Gilbert > Simon J Kissane > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:58:26 -0500 > From: David Merrill <david(a)lupercalia.net> > To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: wiki source cvs > Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 04:50:53PM +0100, Robert > Bihlmeyer wrote: > > Larry Sanger <lsanger(a)nupedia.com> writes: > > > > > This, by the way, would be a great feature for > Wikipedia to be able to > > > use; we'd certainly like Wikipedia articles to > be convertable to DocBook > > > XML format. That's what we decided we wanted to > use as an XML DTD for > > > Nupedia, and surely we'd want to use it for > Wikipedia too. > > > > I'm not convinced that DocBook is the best DTD for > this kind of > > content. I like it very much for > (computer-oriented) technical > > documentation, but for a more general topic? When > used to its full > > extent DB is also quite baroque, and most of it > probably wouldn't be > > used (for example the GUISUBMENU element <g>). > Take a look at > > > <URL:http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/part2.html> > to get an overview > > of DocBook elements. > > > > A simpler, encylopedia-specific DTD may be better. > On the other hand, > > I don't know of any off-the-shelf DTD that fits > this description, and > > a DocBook-subset may be better supported by other > software than any > > DTD that's just used by Nupedia (and maybe > Wikipedia). > > I agree that any complete-ish implementation of > DocBook would be very > hard and frought with difficulty. However, being > about to export into > basic docbook (meaning not much more than links, > sections, and <para> > tags) would allow the content to be worked into > DocBook based > publication systems and such, and also the > generation of pdf, > postscript, and other outputs. And *that* much at > least would be > fairly easy and worth doing imho. > > -- > David C. Merrill > http://www.lupercalia.net > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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Press release is out
by Larry Sanger 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020115/latu099_1.html Here is the text: Free Encyclopedia Project, Wikipedia, Creates 20,000 Articles in a Year SAN DIEGO, Jan. 15 /PRNewswire/ -- The free encyclopedia project Wikipedia ( http://www.wikipedia.com ) celebrates its first anniversary today. In its first year, the collaborative project has created over 20,000 articles, organizers say. Wikipedia is a so-called WikiWiki, which means that anyone with an Internet connection can visit the website and edit an article without signing up. For such an open project, some may find it remarkable that many of the articles are reasonably good and that the project has attracted a large number of well-educated, articulate contributors. Wikipedia is not only free to read, it is free to distribute. It is released under the GNU Free Documentation License, which ensures that anyone may reuse the entries on the site in any way they wish, including commercially, as long as they too preserve that right in their own versions. Many participants are attracted to the notion that they are contributing to a completely free resource that can be used worldwide. The founders of Wikipedia are Internet entrepreneur Jimmy Wales and philosopher Larry Sanger. Wales has supplied the financial backing and other support for the project, and Sanger, who earned a Ph.D. in Philosophy from Ohio State in 2000, has led the project. Sanger and Wales attribute Wikipedia's success so far to the presence of a strong core group of contributors who together maintain community standards of quality and neutrality. "Participants all keep a watchful eye over the 'Recent Changes' page," Wales said. "They edit each others' work constantly. It seems surprising that it works very well, but it does." The project began life quietly in January 2001 as an offshoot of its more academic sister project, Nupedia ( http://www.nupedia.com ), but has long since overtaken it in terms of size. Wikipedia announced 10,000 articles last September, and claims to have doubled that number in the past four months. This growth, and the project dynamics that fuel it, have recently been the subject of articles in The New York Times, The New York Times Magazine, and MIT's highly-respected Technology Review, as well as technology news websites such as Slashdot and Kuro5hin. At present, nearly 200 people are working on the project daily, from all around the world; organizers estimate that the project has had well over a thousand contributors. The success of such an open project, staffed by such a large and diverse body of writers, is a puzzle: how can so many people with so many different backgrounds collaborate with such little oversight? Project organizers say that it is partly because the participants can edit each others' contributions easily, and partly because the project has a strong "nonbias" policy; this keeps interaction relatively polite and productive. Sanger explains: "If contributors took controversial stands, it would be virtually impossible for people of many different viewpoints to collaborate. Because of the neutrality policy, we have partisans working together on the same articles. It's quite remarkable." What motivates a scholar to participate in such a wide-open project? For Axel Boldt, a mathematics professor at Metropolitan State University in St. Paul, Minnesota, the motivation to contribute dozens of mathematics articles is "the same that motivates me to work in academia: it's fun to teach, it's fun to learn, it's fun to interact with intelligent people." Sanger has been invited to speak about Wikipedia at the Stanford University Computer Systems Laboratory colloquium on January 16; the press is invited to attend or to view the talk via the Internet. Please see http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee380/ for details. Wikipedia may be found on the web at http://www.wikipedia.com . Interview contacts: Larry Sanger, +1-702-631-7301 (except Jan. 16, and until Jan. 20), lsanger(a)nupedia.com, or Jimmy Wales, +1-619-296-1732, jwales(a)bomis.com, both of Wikipedia. Wikipedia ( http://www.wikipedia.com ), 3585 Hancock St., Suite A, San Diego, CA 92110, Tel. 619-296-1732, Fax 619-296-1754. SOURCE Wikipedia Web Site: http://www.wikipedia.com

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Categories in the PHP script
by Magnus Manske 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

Hi all! I finally got to implement the often-demanded categories in the PHP script (http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/fpw/wiki.phtml). It works like this: - Add "{{CATEGORY A category,Another category}}" to the text of an article. Separate the categories by ",". - Everything between {{ and }} will *not* be displayed within the text, but as a category list at the bottom of the page, as well as in the sidebar, if you have turned it on. - In an article that *is* a category, write "{{THISCATEGORY}}" somewhere. This will be replaced with a list of all articles which *at that very moment* have a "{{CATEGORY xyz}}" for that category. See it for yourself at the above site. I put "Gene" and "DNA" into both "Biology" and "Genetics" category. "Genetics" itself is in the "Biology" Category. On the "Genetics" and "Biology" pages, at the bottom, you'll find a grey box, listing all the pages that are within that category. OK, I know this screams "problems" all over, but it's just the "hooray, it's running!" version. There's much more to be done, starting with a sorted article output to limiting "Search" and "Recent Changes" to certain categories, and so on. But hey, it's a start... A more technical note: I also put all the "fixed" text displayed on the 'pedia into variables and collected them in one single file. So, for international versions, only one file has to be changed, the other files can get "technical" updates without having to translate/merge the whole thing again. That's all for now, Magnus

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Incorrect HTML encoding--something new?
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

I'm not sure when it happened, but somewhere the main Wikipedia site started putting out HTML with: ?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"? ... !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML Basic 1.0//EN" ... None of the above is even close to the truth, and for the code to claim it is will cause many problems. The HTTP headers simply claim that the text is "HTML" and that the encoding is "ISO-8859-1", both of which are accurate and useful; this is the way UseMod has always worked and still does, so I don't know where the new stuff came from. This needs to be fixed. "Meta" is too broken now for me to check. 0

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Press release tomorrow: Wikipedia Day!
by Larry Sanger 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Hi all, If all goes according to plan, the press release should come out tomorrow, which is "Wikipedia Day" (our first anniversary). This might or might not bring in lots of traffic. Be ready, Militia members! Get into a welcoming mood, Welcoming Committee members! :-) Larry

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More female Wikipedians
by sgilbert＠nbnet.nb.ca 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

> > > PS- Are there no other women taking part in this? I feel a bit like I've > > > snuck into the boys room. ;) > > > > :-) Ruth Ifcher is around (RoseParks on wikipedia) and Janet Davis > > writes a lot on the Wikipedia. I'm not sure if they are on the > > mailing list, though. Oh, and there's also PinkUnicorn. > > Let's not forget JHK, --April, and Dreamyshade, to name three of the more > hard-working females. There are quite a few others, too. Wikipedia is > definitely male-dominated, though, which I agree is regrettable. > > Larry There's also Claudine Chionh, H. Jonat and BF, since we're counting. :) - Stephen Gilbert

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Incorrect HTML encoding--something new?
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

The way theyare now (HTML4 Trans., ISO-8859-1) is great. In the future we can tweak the sotware if we need to generate something else, since the data is unambiguous. >I have no _particular_ opinions. All I want is for our pages to work >in all browsers. What should I do? 0

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Down?
by Gareth Owen 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

For about a half hour now ... (Mon Jan 14 18:07:05 GMT 2002) Problems?

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wikipedia search engine
by Chuck Smith 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

This may already be fixed in the new version, but if I do a search for a term and there's an article *titled* that, shouldn't that always be the top search result? Chuck Smith ===== Venu al la senpaga, libera enciklopedio esperanta reta! http://eo.wikipedia.com/ ==== Junuloj! Venu al Filadelfio, Usono 15-17 Februare http://unumondo.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Filadelfia_JES __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de

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