Pedro Sanchez commented on a few of my points, but mistakenly removed
my byline, making Yaroslav look like the author. These are responses
to Pedro's comments.
Pedro Sanchez<pdsanchez(a)gmail.com> wrote:
And english wikipedia has several mailing lists to
deal with its own issues.
Foundation-l is for wikimedia-wide issues.
The point is that to a certain degree
we can make requests for new
lists, which are handled by the foundation, and hosted by the
foundation. And of course a new list has certain foundation-wide
effects, so that's yet another reason. But if your criticism of this
discussion here boils down to something like "go away" please just say
This is like justifying that discussing english
wikipedia issues would be ok
on the spanish wikinews mailing list (because both are mailing lists hosts
on wikimedia server)
Since the beginning, all Wikimedia-wide issues have been
English, and we have seen serious representation, even if not ample or
even sufficient representation, from other languages and cultures.
Every non-English wiki and mailing list was started by a request made
in English to the then-current proper venue: Wikipedia-l, wikien-l,
intlwiki-l, wikitech-l, etc. have all been 'proper venues' at one
time or another.
The "functionaries" thing is an english
wikipedia thing. New wikis, new
mailing lists, everything.. is also setup by employees. Yet we have a
mailing list for commons, a mailing list for french wikipedia, etc
I did not know
functionaries-l is for en.wiki only. Generally, the
proper form would then be functionaries-en-l. But this gets into the
general problematic issues regarding how a global project is largely
managed by a small group of English-speaking people. Forming a
U.S.-based foundation also contributes to the problem.
But in reality, things have to get done, and we do them in English. I
did start a discussion on wikien-l, but foundation personnel did not
participate. Talking about things here may mean that wikien-l people
don't participate, but I can rectify that oversight with a quick
announce note there.
And where's consensus that other wikis want THAT?
And it should be proposed
on meta if you want to claim support from all wikimedia
We're discussing it
now. A meta page is a possibility.
So? Moving it up to global mailing list where most
people won't care about
english wikipedia will solve it?
Hm. Interesting point that people on foundation-l
have not even a
tangential interest in its flagship project. I mean, just to break it
down for you, en.wiki has ~3 million articles, while de.wiki has ~1
million. Throw in some kind of quantitative/qualitative differentials
between English und German language facility and usage, and that 3-1
ratio becomes something like 19-1. Hence whatever substance was in
your comment is negated.
If you have troubles with cary deal them with him,
I emailed him directly. No response. I tried starting a 100 email
thread on wikein-l. No notice. I filed a bug/request. No response. The
point, I suppose, is that I am dealing with him, and anyone whom might
be treating him like a functionary.
stop polluting inboxes from unrelated parties
This is unnecessary. If you don't want to read something, don't.
Alright, so it's all about shouting louder to get
what you want
Well, I did wait patiently for a month. And I do sashimi BS well
enough. I just don't see how any of that equates to "shouting."