Pedro Sanchez commented on a few of my points, but mistakenly removed my byline, making Yaroslav look like the author. These are responses to Pedro's comments.
Pedro Sanchezpdsanchez@gmail.com wrote:
And english wikipedia has several mailing lists to deal with its own issues. Foundation-l is for wikimedia-wide issues.
The point is that to a certain degree we can make requests for new lists, which are handled by the foundation, and hosted by the foundation. And of course a new list has certain foundation-wide effects, so that's yet another reason. But if your criticism of this discussion here boils down to something like "go away" please just say so.
This is like justifying that discussing english wikipedia issues would be ok on the spanish wikinews mailing list (because both are mailing lists hosts on wikimedia server)
Since the beginning, all Wikimedia-wide issues have been discussed in English, and we have seen serious representation, even if not ample or even sufficient representation, from other languages and cultures. Every non-English wiki and mailing list was started by a request made in English to the then-current proper venue: Wikipedia-l, wikien-l, intlwiki-l, wikitech-l, etc. have all been 'proper venues' at one time or another.
The "functionaries" thing is an english wikipedia thing. New wikis, new mailing lists, everything.. is also setup by employees. Yet we have a mailing list for commons, a mailing list for french wikipedia, etc
I did not know functionaries-l is for en.wiki only. Generally, the proper form would then be functionaries-en-l. But this gets into the general problematic issues regarding how a global project is largely managed by a small group of English-speaking people. Forming a U.S.-based foundation also contributes to the problem.
But in reality, things have to get done, and we do them in English. I did start a discussion on wikien-l, but foundation personnel did not participate. Talking about things here may mean that wikien-l people don't participate, but I can rectify that oversight with a quick announce note there.
And where's consensus that other wikis want THAT? And it should be proposed on meta if you want to claim support from all wikimedia
We're discussing it now. A meta page is a possibility.
So? Moving it up to global mailing list where most people won't care about english wikipedia will solve it?
Hm. Interesting point that people on foundation-l have not even a tangential interest in its flagship project. I mean, just to break it down for you, en.wiki has ~3 million articles, while de.wiki has ~1 million. Throw in some kind of quantitative/qualitative differentials between English und German language facility and usage, and that 3-1 ratio becomes something like 19-1. Hence whatever substance was in your comment is negated.
If you have troubles with cary deal them with him,
I emailed him directly. No response. I tried starting a 100 email thread on wikein-l. No notice. I filed a bug/request. No response. The point, I suppose, is that I am dealing with him, and anyone whom might be treating him like a functionary.
stop polluting inboxes from unrelated parties
This is unnecessary. If you don't want to read something, don't.
Alright, so it's all about shouting louder to get what you want
Well, I did wait patiently for a month. And I do sashimi BS well enough. I just don't see how any of that equates to "shouting."
-Steven