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[Wikimedia Announcements] Italian Wiktionary reached 250, 000 entries
by Federico Leva (Nemo) 24 Apr '14

24 Apr '14

Today, the Italian Wiktionary reached 250,000 entries with the entry "trasvolasse" (translatable "if it quickly flew over") thanks to Barbabot. Till February, the project had only 127,000 entries of which only 5 % created automatically. Credits to Barbaking, SemperBlotto and Wim_b. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_News#April_2014 https://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/Utente:Barbabot Nemo _______________________________________________ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l _______________________________________________ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list WikimediaAnnounce-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l

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Education program - quality assessment
by Anthony Cole 23 Apr '14

23 Apr '14

I've moved this discussion from an earlier thread. [1] There, I asked about this April 14 press release from the Wiki Education Foundation, [2] "The press release ... says, 'The program, in which students write Wikipedia articles in place of traditional term papers, created the equivalent of more than 7,000 printed pages of new, high-quality content during the fall term of 2013 and the equivalent of more than 36,000 printed pages of content since its start in 2010.' "Can anybody point to a source for the 7,000 printed pages of new, high-quality content during the fall term - particularly the evidence for the high quality of that content?" LiAnne, the author of the press release, replied "...We've done two quality studies on articles written by students participating in the Wikipedia Education Program in the U.S. and Canada, one covering the first two terms of the pilot (fall 2010 and spring 2011) and then again a year later, in spring 2012. "Here's the 2010-11:https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Student_Contributions_to_Wikipe… "Here's the spring 2012:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ambassadors/Research/Article_q… "As you might imagine, hand-assessing two versions of an article (the version immediately prior to the student's first edit and the version it was at their last edit) is an extremely time-consuming process. Given we found pretty similar results (the vast majority of students significantly improve articles through our program), we have stopped doing these studies because they take up so much valuable volunteer time. If there were an automatic way to gauge article quality that didn't involve volunteer time, I'd love to repeat the study every term, but I haven't seen any good way of gauging article quality that doesn't involve hand assessment of articles. "In terms of the 7,000 printed pages, we use WikiMetrics ( https://metrics.wmflabs.org/) to determine how much content students add to the article namespace each term." Thanks LiAnna I think you're saying 7,000 printed pages (equivalent) in total was added to the encyclopedia during the 2013 fall term by the education program. If I've got that right, is it accurate to say it was all high quality? [1] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/442601 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Education_Foundation/Press_Release_14_… Anthony Cole <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthonyhcole>

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The Signpost -- 23 April 2014 -- addendum
by Wikipedia Signpost 23 Apr '14

23 Apr '14

In addition to the articles listed in the previous email, we have also published an op-ed this week titled "Five things a Wikipedian in residence can do" by Pete Forsyth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Op-ed Comments and thoughts are always welcome! Thanks, --Ed, *Signpost* editor-in-chief http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost

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[Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 10, Issue 16 -- 23 April 2014
by Wikipedia Signpost 23 Apr '14

23 Apr '14

Special report: 2014 Wikimedia Conference—what is the impact? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Specia… Wikimania: Winning bid announced for 2015 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Wikima… News and notes: Wikimedian passes away http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/News_a… WikiProject report: To the altar—Catholicism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/WikiPr… Featured content: There was I, waiting at the church http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Featur… Traffic report: Reflecting in Gethsemane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Traffi… Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23 https://www.facebook.com/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost _______________________________________________ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l _______________________________________________ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list WikimediaAnnounce-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l

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Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
by Ellie Young 23 Apr '14

23 Apr '14

Dear Wikimedians, On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we hope to confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia Mexico! We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well for all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to have so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires a substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s hard work. For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect to issue the Request for Proposals for 2016 by September this year. Sincerely, Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
by Christopher Cooper 22 Apr '14

22 Apr '14

Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host Wikimania and I look forward to attending. Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was disqualified. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
by Charles Gregory 22 Apr '14

22 Apr '14

Hi all, Just to provide a bit of perspective to the crime concerns, I had a look at the Australian Government's smart traveller page for travel advice ( http://www.smarttraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/) They mark nations and regions as green (normal), yellow (exercise precautions), orange (reconsider travel), or red (do not travel). On their list, all proposed host countries - Mexico, South Africa, Indonesia, Tanzania and Tunisia - are marked "yellow". Some parts of Mexico, Indonesia and Tunisia are "orange" (see the site for specifics) but the host cities/proposed host cities are fine. So taking into account the fact that Italy withdrew, there isn't really a risk of any one host over another. Regards, Charles / User:Chuq On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Andy Cruz y Corro <andycyca(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Steven! > > Thanks for your comments. I'm part of the WMMX bidding team and I happen to > live in the Centro Historico area (only a few bus stops away from the > venue). Even though it's anecdotal, I can say that *a good deal of my free > time is spent in this zone and I've never experienced crime here*. I do > take precautions, but they are nothing out of the ordinary (no flashing of > valuables, hailing a cab after hours, avoiding dark alleys, etc.) > > I will not say crime doesn't exist: it's a real risk, strongly considered > when making our bid. As Ivan said, we don't want to take chances and will > have additional support from the authorities (Ivan is our superstar in this > regard). We believe the venue is safe and we're sure our guests will enjoy > their stay here. The zone is safe for (part of) our team to live there. > > That said, our team (myself included) are looking forward to your questions > and comments. Rest assured we will do our best to make of this the best > Wikimania experience for everyone. > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:46:30 -0500 > > From: Ivan Martínez <galaver(a)gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania > > 2015 > > Message-ID: > > < > > CAPFTejNFYQH5xxZ-6J8gr23B4o1u9fyotZ-KjLGAH6ygLFRWLg(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Thanks to all for your kindly regards and comments :) > > > > Steven, concerning to the public safety, our city are different from the > > known issues of the northern states of the country. In the link you quote > > for United States citizens are properly pointed for Mexico City: "no > > advisory is in effect". Also, the Centro Historico area (the venue are in > > the north of this Downtown area) is safe for tourism. But we will have in > > addition the special support and coordination with the Mexico City > > authorities for more vigilance and a special operative for reduce any > risk > > to the minimum in the venue and their perimeter. > > > > > > > > 2014-04-21 22:55 GMT-05:00 Philippe Beaudette <philippe(a)wikimedia.org>: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Steven Walling < > > steven.walling(a)gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > it would be comforting to hear how we've assessed the bid > > > > regarding the safety issue, and how we're going to be prepared in > case > > > the > > > > worst (robberies, kidnappings) do happen. > > > > > > > > > > Not a small concern. But, I should point out, one that we've dealt > with > > > before. We had laptops stolen in Argentina, and physical safety > concerns > > > in Alexandria, as I recall. I say this not to put a panacea of "oh, > > there > > > there, it'll be fine" in place, but to assure people that this is > > something > > > that I know that Garfield and Elle, and the rest of the WMF team > working > > on > > > this will consider and keep in mind. :-) > > > > > > pb > > > > > > > > > *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia > > > Foundation, Inc. > > > T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | philippe(a)wikimedia.org | : > > > @Philippewiki<https://twitter.com/Philippewiki> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
by Andy Cruz y Corro 22 Apr '14

22 Apr '14

Hi Steven! Thanks for your comments. I'm part of the WMMX bidding team and I happen to live in the Centro Historico area (only a few bus stops away from the venue). Even though it's anecdotal, I can say that *a good deal of my free time is spent in this zone and I've never experienced crime here*. I do take precautions, but they are nothing out of the ordinary (no flashing of valuables, hailing a cab after hours, avoiding dark alleys, etc.) I will not say crime doesn't exist: it's a real risk, strongly considered when making our bid. As Ivan said, we don't want to take chances and will have additional support from the authorities (Ivan is our superstar in this regard). We believe the venue is safe and we're sure our guests will enjoy their stay here. The zone is safe for (part of) our team to live there. That said, our team (myself included) are looking forward to your questions and comments. Rest assured we will do our best to make of this the best Wikimania experience for everyone. > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:46:30 -0500 > From: Ivan Martínez <galaver(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania > 2015 > Message-ID: > < > CAPFTejNFYQH5xxZ-6J8gr23B4o1u9fyotZ-KjLGAH6ygLFRWLg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks to all for your kindly regards and comments :) > > Steven, concerning to the public safety, our city are different from the > known issues of the northern states of the country. In the link you quote > for United States citizens are properly pointed for Mexico City: "no > advisory is in effect". Also, the Centro Historico area (the venue are in > the north of this Downtown area) is safe for tourism. But we will have in > addition the special support and coordination with the Mexico City > authorities for more vigilance and a special operative for reduce any risk > to the minimum in the venue and their perimeter. > > > > 2014-04-21 22:55 GMT-05:00 Philippe Beaudette <philippe(a)wikimedia.org>: > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Steven Walling < > steven.walling(a)gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > it would be comforting to hear how we've assessed the bid > > > regarding the safety issue, and how we're going to be prepared in case > > the > > > worst (robberies, kidnappings) do happen. > > > > > > > Not a small concern. But, I should point out, one that we've dealt with > > before. We had laptops stolen in Argentina, and physical safety concerns > > in Alexandria, as I recall. I say this not to put a panacea of "oh, > there > > there, it'll be fine" in place, but to assure people that this is > something > > that I know that Garfield and Elle, and the rest of the WMF team working > on > > this will consider and keep in mind. :-) > > > > pb > > > > > > *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia > > Foundation, Inc. > > T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | philippe(a)wikimedia.org | : > > @Philippewiki<https://twitter.com/Philippewiki> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
by ido ivri 22 Apr '14

22 Apr '14

I second what Amir is saying, although I understand the heartbreak. Ido On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, <wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org>wrote: > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to > wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimedia-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Andrea Zanni) > 2. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Chris Keating) > 3. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive > (Amir E. Aharoni) > 4. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Milos Rancic) > 5. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive > (Amir E. Aharoni) > 6. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Milos Rancic) > 7. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Milos Rancic) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:18:53 +0200 > From: Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to > survive > Message-ID: > <CAC=VxyZAz5t13GKr9P8zFtNztQOiMwgJo+_-eECzZ-g3w= > eGQw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > [snip] > > For the things we could do, I quote form other people: > * encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for > new/endangered languages. > You could scan books or documents if the language is written, or record > audio/interviews and put that on Commons if t the language is just oral. or > we could do both. > * we can work on a "kickstart Wikisource" workflow, we are alreading > discussing this on the Wikisource mailing list (Ganesh and other Nepalese > folks are interested in developing a Nepalese Wikisource). > * we can work on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary and try > to takle the huge challenge of a real semantic wiktionary using Wikidata. > That's a tough one, but i can't wait it to happen. > > All these 3 points are mid-term and reachable. as others said, they are > just tools, and for preserving a language, not make it survive. > > Aubrey > > (sorry for poor english, just before coffee) > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > > This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia > > alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by > the > > cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs > > people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I > > say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a > > tool - a very important one, but not the main one. > > > > > > -- > > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > > ‪“We're living in pieces, > > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ > > > > > > 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+03:00 Ting Chen <wing.philopp(a)gmx.de>: > > > > > Hello Milos, > > > > > > welcome back. > > > > > > Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: > > > > > > I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, > is > > > to help conserve them. > > > > > > Greetings > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:25:54 +0100 > From: Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to > survive > Message-ID: > <CAFche1o5L12Qvr30cPJaCp7O47iVMF2ema6YZn=JX72W= > VEgkg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I'd certainly take quite a broad view of which languages fulfill our > mission. Certainly I wouldn't be comfortable with arguments as simple as > "All people who speak Y also read X, so there's no purpose putting > resources into Y". > > Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I > wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to about > this. > > Chris > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > > This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia > > alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by > the > > cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs > > people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I > > say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a > > tool - a very important one, but not the main one. > > > > > > -- > > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > > ‪“We're living in pieces, > > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ > > > > > > 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+03:00 Ting Chen <wing.philopp(a)gmx.de>: > > > > > Hello Milos, > > > > > > welcome back. > > > > > > Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: > > > > > > I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, > is > > > to help conserve them. > > > > > > Greetings > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:37:40 +0300 > From: "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to > survive > Message-ID: > <CACtNa8uNg= > 1hRB8kj3LPfmbRuj139OUtP+o-wyHZ9EfM9Z1LsQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I cannot cite anything, but there should be studies that show that even > though most people are "bilingual" or reported as "bilingual" in their > regional language and another major language, they are more comfortable in > getting education in their regional language. I'm pretty sure that there > are such cases, and they should be given priority. Projects that are > focused on language revitalization per se should be given less priority > when resources are limited, even though it breaks my heart to say this. > > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > ‪“We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ > > > 2014-04-22 15:25 GMT+03:00 Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>: > > > I'd certainly take quite a broad view of which languages fulfill our > > mission. Certainly I wouldn't be comfortable with arguments as simple as > > "All people who speak Y also read X, so there's no purpose putting > > resources into Y". > > > > Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I > > wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to > about > > this. > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < > > amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > > > > This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia > > > alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by > > the > > > cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs > > > people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare > I > > > say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is > just a > > > tool - a very important one, but not the main one. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > > > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > > > ‪“We're living in pieces, > > > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ > > > > > > > > > 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+03:00 Ting Chen <wing.philopp(a)gmx.de>: > > > > > > > Hello Milos, > > > > > > > > welcome back. > > > > > > > > Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: > > > > > > > > I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, > > is > > > > to help conserve them. > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:43:56 +0200 > From: Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to > survive > Message-ID: > <CAHPiQ2FmWff_QDwew9SpW= > T0nxR+eZehJZbSVeqPZ0Aa9_e46Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni > <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia > > alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by > the > > cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs > > people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I > > say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a > > tool - a very important one, but not the main one. > > In the case of Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic, there is a not widely known > fact that he was actually hard worker willing to listen others. He was > a villager from Serbia, sent to Austria and Germany to learn how to > help his people. > > In relation to gathering spoken folk tradition, he was listening brothers > Grimm. > > But, more importantly, the ideology and actually the final form of the > modern Serbian Cyrillic alphabet, as well as Vuk's logistics in Vienna > were the product of a Slovene [[Jernej Kopitar]]. > > In our case, we need to find those hard workers all over the small > ethno-linguistic communities, explain what they should do for > themselves and give them logistics. That, of course, *if* they are > willing to that part of job for their communities and *if* they want > to build their knowledge in the form of Wikimedia projects. > > BTW, I know that what I said above sounds enlightenmentish, with all > of the traps of that way of thinking. However, it's not about how they > should live. It's about how they could adopt our technology *if* they > want. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:49:28 +0300 > From: "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to > survive > Message-ID: > < > CACtNa8t_1j4H18_pg3Dq3ewDnWiAEEsZX1d+JNtN3y449vcNFw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > With this I agree. If this depended on me, I'd give this resources. > > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > ‪“We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ > > > 2014-04-22 15:43 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni > > <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > > This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia > > > alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by > > the > > > cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs > > > people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare > I > > > say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is > just a > > > tool - a very important one, but not the main one. > > > > In the case of Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic, there is a not widely known > > fact that he was actually hard worker willing to listen others. He was > > a villager from Serbia, sent to Austria and Germany to learn how to > > help his people. > > > > In relation to gathering spoken folk tradition, he was listening brothers > > Grimm. > > > > But, more importantly, the ideology and actually the final form of the > > modern Serbian Cyrillic alphabet, as well as Vuk's logistics in Vienna > > were the product of a Slovene [[Jernej Kopitar]]. > > > > In our case, we need to find those hard workers all over the small > > ethno-linguistic communities, explain what they should do for > > themselves and give them logistics. That, of course, *if* they are > > willing to that part of job for their communities and *if* they want > > to build their knowledge in the form of Wikimedia projects. > > > > BTW, I know that what I said above sounds enlightenmentish, with all > > of the traps of that way of thinking. However, it's not about how they > > should live. It's about how they could adopt our technology *if* they > > want. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:54:31 +0200 > From: Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to > survive > Message-ID: > < > CAHPiQ2GDW7QjD6LyTYSVNCTGjZnwSdRHqCJO55A2Y5_mfyHdZA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Amir E. Aharoni > <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > Projects that are focused on language revitalization per se should be > > given less priority when resources are limited, even though it breaks > > my heart to say this. > > I don't think that we are dealing here with limited resources. After > we show what we are doing and how successful we are (assuming that > we'll be successful, of course :D ), I am sure that funds won't be > limited just on WMF's budget. > > However, we are dealing with limited resources at the beginning and, > basically, not seen scale of the job, with a lot of potential issues. > I don't think that we'll come into the stable phase in less than five > years of work. And it's true that this is enough time to see negative > changes in some of the languages. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:09:52 +0200 > From: Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to > survive > Message-ID: > <CAHPiQ2FOU4CQ1=_+nE22aWoz= > Py4oFp1sndc1uFPGovDeFbfWw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Chris Keating > <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I > > wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to > about > > this. > > I mentioned Scots Gaelic with a good reason. Not counting languages > with so small number of speakers, that statistics for them are not > relevant and not counting Sanskrit, known to a lot of linguists, > gd.wikipedia.org is Wikipedia with the highest relative number of > active editors. > > That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from > 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in > achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some > ideas how to do that. > > [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 121, Issue 85 > ******************************************** > -- -Ido "There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't." (unknown)

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Funding strategies
by Anna Torres 22 Apr '14

22 Apr '14

Dear all, As it happens with education program regarding the material provided like "Case of Studies", Is there anything similar relative to the different funding strategies carried out by the the chapters? Thanks in advance! -- Anna Torres Adell Directora Ejecutiva *A.C Wikimedia Argentina* *Imprime este correo solo si es realmente necesario*

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