Is there anything we could do to help? Is this too far outside our area?
I recall how useful and helpful BerliOS was back in the olden days
when it was Wikipedia's downtime backup and news source ... before
Wikipedia going down knocked over BerliOS too.
Re David's point that "The trouble with responding on the blog is that
responses seem to be being arbitrarily filtered". I can relate to that, it
isn't just an annoying delay, there are posts which have gone up with
timestamps long after my post. I don't know whether that was me not knowing
how to do blog replies or something else. But the solution is in our hands,
I've now posted my blog response in
really it should have gone in the first place.
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:56:02 -0700
> From: phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial
> judgement, and image filters
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:46 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 29 September 2011 06:41, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> >> http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
> >> Pretty sound blog, no matter which position you take. ?Naturally, please
> >> discuss the blog on the blog and not thread this too much back to
> >> conversation about the image filter.
> > The trouble with responding on the blog is that responses seem to be
> > being arbitrarily filtered, e.g. mine.
> > So here's one that's particularly apposite:
> > He's the primary author of [[:de:Vulva]], and Sue called him all
> > manner of names ("who are acting like provocateurs and agitators" that
> > "need to be stopped"), but never ... actually ... contacted him to say
> > any of this *to* him. Oh, and he's a member of the board of WMDE.
> > - d.
> For heaven's sake. This is the worst kind of cutting and pasting to
> make a point I have seen in ages (Kim's experiments
> notwithstanding)... I can't speak for Sue, of course, but when I read
> the blog post I see nothing in there that says she is referring to the
> author of this particular article (she refers only to the decision to
> put the article on the mainpage, presumably not something that can be
> traced to a single person).
> The quotation you have made stands as a separate point, and is
> unrelated to the discussion of the de main page above. She simply
> says: "Those community members who are acting like provocateurs and
> agitators need to stop." -- not identifying particular people, or even
> particular topics. When I read this, what comes to *my* mind is some
> of the recent dialog on Foundation-l -- some of which was certainly
> intentionally provocative, and some of which did get very personal and
> personally hurtful, to myself and others.
> Sue's post is *not about the image filter*. It's about the dialog
> around the image filter, some of which has been great and some of
> which has sucked. It is, indeed, hard to talk to people when they
> attack you for it. But I don't think there was any attacking in Sue's
> -- phoebe
Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be
difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often
with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style
info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with words.
Feel free to comment at:
-- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
An entertaining discussion - let's see if I understand the essence of
High resolution photos (of the Dead Sea Scrolls) were recently released
under an Israeli copyright.
(Obviously this does not constitute copyright of the scrolls themselves.)
A great deal of technical and creative effort went into the preparation
and conservation of the scrolls before photography began.
Scholarship - the interpretation of the relationship of fragments to the
The photographers made many technical and creative decisions before
obtaining the final images that were released.
Differences of opinion:
What exactly has been protected under copyright?
Pro: the added value - preservation, conservation, scholarship,
What rights restrictions were placed on the copyright? Was it "all
rights reserved", attribution only, etc?
Why was the decision made to release the work under copyright rather
than a Creative Commons license?
Is this an adequate summation?
On 9/29/2011 6:11 AM, foundation-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Nikola Smolenski<smolensk(a)eunet.rs> wrote:
>> > On 29/09/11 04:12, Anthony wrote:
>>> >> You need to reread what I said. ?I was not making a pro-copyright argument.
>> > You need to rewrite what you wrote so that it reflects what you meant.
>> > You were making a pro-copyright argument.
> Let me be clear, then. I have no position on the copyrightability of
> this image, neither in the US nor elsewhere, neither on whether or not
> this image is copyrighted, nor on whether or not it should be
> I also don't see why copyrightability matters. Surely even if the
> images are copyrighted they can be used by WMF under the doctrine of
> fair use. And even if they are not copyrighted, it's not clear to me
> how the underlying images can even be obtained without committing a
> felony of exceeding authorized access to a computer.
(Sorry for cross-posting this.)
In just two days, Wikimedia Sverige is once again going to participate at
the Gothenburg Book Fair, which is the second largest book fair in Europe.
Around 100 000 people come there every year from almost all of our target
This year, we have prepared three short films about why the visitors should
contribute to Wikipedia (roughly a minute each) that we will show
continuously over the four days of the fair. But before we show them for the
public, I'd like to show them to you.
Keep in mind that they are meant to be shown at a busy fair. That's why we
have no sound, including no dialogue. (I.e. we didn't foul up when uploading
them to YouTube). We only have a short sign at the end of the film with sort
of a theme stated. Since we will be there to take questions, we didn't feel
that we needed more than that.
And now, here are the links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtUJCeWNzw8 (the librarian) (the sign at the
end says: "When you look up a fact, enter it into Wikipedia as well. Next
time, it will be you that saves time.")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-voNMspnU4g (the teacher) ("Wikipedia can be
a good tool for teaching source criticism and how information is created.
Learn more about how Wikipedia works.")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ovfukCZts (the senior citizen) ("Share what
you know. Wikipedia is read by hundreds of thousands of people every day.
Maybe by your grandchild too.")
The films are licensed cc-by-sa, and will be uploaded shortly to Wikimedia
Commons, both as they are now, and with soft music.
Here is the good news: If you want a version in your language, just send us
what the sign at the end should say and we'll make it for you! Please have
at least two people proof-read it before you send it to us, to avoid
mistakes, since we probably won't be able to determine if you've made any
If you want more films like this, holler and we may make them. We have a
good team here, and can make these films pretty cheaply and quickly.
Any comments are welcome!
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Today it is both Rosh Hashanah and the start of Dussehra. It is also the
first time that the Wikimedia Localisation team is coming together. We are
still waiting for Santhosh his flight has been delayed... We will be
planning what to do, when to do it and how we can get the most out of the
work that we do for you.
I am happy and I wish you all a joyous day wherever you are, whatever you
Wikimedia UK is very pleased to announce that after a very thorough
recruitment process we have appointed Jon Davies as our first Chief
Executive, starting next Monday. Jon has extensive experience in the
non-profit sector in the UK, and this will be his first Wikimedia role. Many
people in the UK community met Jon at the most recent London wikimeet, and
the whole Wikimedia UK board is very pleased that he is joining us. I am
sure Jon will be along to introduce himself in the next few days.
More details from Andrew Turvey at;