The sooner the better of course, but to try and get the record approved before the press run next edition, I think we should submit the proof this week at the latest. Also, I have arranged a meeting with a witness on Thursday morning, so to make sure everything is in order in time, I'd need the numbers by Tuesday. Hope that works out, Lodewijk 2012/6/9 Santiago Navarro Sanz <wikimillars(a)hotmail.com>

raw is no problem -> http://toolserver.org/~alexxw/Denkmalliste/WLM_raw.php. Unfortunately I only have data from Austria (from 'u_krd_p'/'Denkmalvorlage') so I can only offer this... Greets Alex On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>wrote;wrote:

Thanks a lot, Vincenç! It would be very helpful if you could run the same for other countries (with the note of the exception for Switzerland, with different dates, of course). Thanks, Lodewijk El domingo, 10 de junio de 2012, Vicenç Riullop escribió:

It will take some time to read all files, but it is no problem. Just to be sure: * Switzerland: ** starting time 2011-06-30 22:00 (July UTC+2) ** closing time 2011-09-30 23:59 (September UTC+0) * Portugal: from 2011-08-31 23:00 to 2011-09-30 22:59 (UTC+1) * Estonia and Romania: from 2011-08-31 21:00 to 2011-09-30 20:59 (UTC+3) * Russia: from 2011-08-31 20:00 to 2011-09-30 19:59 (UTC+4) * Rest of countries: from 2011-08-31 22:00 to 2011-09-30 21:59 (UTC+2) Correct? Vicenç Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:20:48 +0200 From: lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] help for the guinness world record proof Thanks a lot, Vincenç! It would be very helpful if you could run the same for other countries (with the note of the exception for Switzerland, with different dates, of course). Thanks,Lodewijk El domingo, 10 de junio de 2012, Vicenç Riullop escribió: I have checked dates of files in categories WLM 2011 for Andorra [1] and Spain [2]. I can run it for other countries if necessary. At first glance: * Photos uploaded on August 31th between 22:00 and 23:59 h are valid as it is UTC time and it was September in local CEST time zone. Now I realize I should have checked uploads on Septembre 30th between 22:00 and 23:59 h UTC. Ok, I'll try it again later. * Most photos uploaded on October are identified as bots uploading from Flickr WLM groups. * Some should be checked further and probably it shoud be removed the WLM 2011 template. [1] https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viquiprojecte:Monuments/2011_out_of_date/Ando… [2] https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viquiprojecte:Monuments/2011_out_of_date/Spain Vicenç From: lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:17:10 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] help for the guinness world record proof Hi all, as you may recall, we have applied for recognition as a guinness world record with the 165.000+ images of 2011. However, to finalize that application, I need some help. We need to determine the final number of submitted picture - and will need two witnesses who will sign a statement. I'm pretty far with the witnesses - but need some help in making it easy for them to confirm the full number of images. I thought the easiest way would be twofold: - make sure that the category 'Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2011' is "clean" - that there are only valid images there. - create a list of url's with all submitted images. To do that, I'd use the following definition of a valid submission:- For Switzerland, images submitted in July, August or September 2011 (starting time is in UTC+2, closing time in UTC+0). - For all other countries, images submitted in September 2011 (including Hungary, since the images submitted later were not considered for the international contest)- For all countries, possible delayed bot uploads (we'd need to manually identify those) - For all countries, the image has to contain the {{Wiki Loves Monuments|country code}} template (I don't think other templates were in use)- For all images, check whether it is a derivative of an existing image (probably easiest to just list all images that fulfill all other requirements and have a 'other versions' mention - and manually check those) This should add up to all the images that were considered as a valid submission and could have been nominated for the international contest. Am I missing anything? It would be great if someone could dig through the category and help clean it. Also, if someone could use a script to generate this list of url's once that is done. That way, for the proof we can both make a screenshot of the category, showing the full number, and count the list of url's and let the witnesses do some random checks on them. Best, Lodewijk _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Vicenç Riullop <vriullop(a)hotmail.com> wrote: huh? $ for i in now '2011-06-30 22:00' '2011-09-30 23:59'; do printf '%-18s ' "$i"; TZ=Europe/Zurich date -R -d "$i"; done now Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:24:11 +0200 2011-06-30 22:00 Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:00:00 +0200 2011-09-30 23:59 Fri, 30 Sep 2011 23:59:00 +0200

correct, if you want to be more precise all countries used their local time, except Russia - Russia started at 0:00 UTC+4, and ended 0:00 UTC+0. 2012/6/10 Vicenç Riullop <vriullop(a)hotmail.com>

I remember nothing closed before something like 0:30 CET, I took a copy of the category at 0:00 (which is somewhere in the mails here), there where quite some uploads at that last one or 2 ours, depending on how you count I estimate numbers between 155.000-175.000 (but you need an exact one). Did you get any limits on the timeframe from the Guiness records? Or did we decide on any official closing times? Because I believe this was, as far as judging pictures went, not really that strict. The times stated here seem to be logical closing times indeed. Mvg, Bas

I have listed all files with possible invalid dates at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vriullop/WLM_2011_out_of_date It is up to local organizers to check if they are valid for any reason that Guiness' agents can verify, otherwise the template WLM 2011 should be removed. Maybe some organizers are not currently reading this mailing list. Note that some users are still uploading images with WLM 2011 template. They should be advised that the 2011 edition is closed. For Hungary I've been bold and I've created a new category: * [[Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 in Hungary - international]] for the international contest with images with template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2011|hu}} * [[Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 in Hungary]] for the national contest with both the previous template and {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2011-hu}} Only images in the first one are also categorized in the main [[Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2011]], so all files in this category should count for Guiness proof. I hope I have not broken anything. Vicenç

AFAIK all the counts we did and that were published used the 22:00 GMT (0:00 CET) time for the counts. So we should indeed not mark them. But be aware of pictures that were perhaps after the deadline rotated by rotatebot, but uploaded in time. Those cases do of course qualify, don't know if Vincent took that into account. I like the suggestion from Vincent for the notok mark in the template. Regards, Andre On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:24:25AM +0200, Bas vb wrote:

Perhaps it is better to consider it for next edition for all countries. For example: {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2012|es|validation=Uploaded after closing time}} By default all images are validated with missing parameter. With any text self-explanatory in "validation" parameter then it can categorize at [[Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 in Spain invalidated]] Vicenç

I also checked Sweden: people between 22:00 and 24:00 UTC I allowed as good faith timezone issues, and the ones later were people who encountered technical difficulties. Also did Russia, allowed the pictures uploaded between 1 and 15 September. I removed everything after the 0:00utc deadline. 2012/6/12 Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>

2012/6/12 Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>rg>: Hey there, We need to clear this up. I just removed the template from ~50 files uploaded between 23:00 and 4:00 GMT from a user in Boston. Should I put the template back on these? Strainu

On 12/06/12 14:57, Lodewijk wrote: I havealso seen that. I don't know the reason. Maybe they are just copying every wiki markup from a sample image, including WLM template, [[Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]]... As well as the id template which is probably what they wanted.

On 11/06/12 23:25, Vicenç Riullop wrote: For Spain you listed many files by Joancreus, most of his contributions were flickr uploads (supposedly on time on flickr). You also listed User:Wiki-Bot uploads. Those are definitely ok. IMHO it is ok to keep it for images which *intended* to participate in the contest, even if they missed the deadline for a few hours. "This image was uploaded as part of Wiki Loves Monuments 2011." I'll try to make a list with our monument images. Indeed. I recently did a bot run removing the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2011|es/es-cat}} template from 321 recently uploaded images [1] [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Wiki-…

Thanks for the list! Austria should be clear now, I let the template in pictures uploaded exactly midnight. Could you re-run the script to verify that I havn't forgotten anything? Greets Alex On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Vicenç Riullop <vriullop(a)hotmail.com>wrote;wrote:

That is what Vriullup did, finding 7 pictures that seem to have been clearly too late, and several by a few minutes on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vriullop/WLM_2011_out_of_date/Portu… But if they were approved as valid for the national contest, that is what we'll go with. Lodewijk 2012/6/12 Béria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt>

This is an extremely helpful overview! I went through Switzerland, which had a lot of false participants. Several on the list were valid submissions because they were uploaded on top of an existing image. For now I left them in the category, but I suggest that someone who is better at that, splits the history at some point. Lodewijk 2012/6/12 Samat <samat78(a)gmail.com>