WikiLovesMonuments July 2012

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FoP and monuments
by Matthew Roth 21 Jul '12

21 Jul '12

Hi all, In Washington DC after Wikimania, I went on a monument photo walk and was very happy with some of the photos I took of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial>wall. Then I started looking at the FoP rules in the U.S. and realized I don't think I can upload most of those photos to Commons, given the wall is likely considered a statue and is therefore under copyright. Several questions: 1. Is this accurate? Should I consider the photos as inadmissible? 2. Does anyone have experience in other countries with monuments that are on the list but are still under copyright? Will we need to be clear that some of the sites on the Register in the U.S. are not eligible for the contest? 3. How does the primary photo<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TouchWall.jpg>on the EnWP article qualify to be hosted on Commons? Is there a percentage of a photo that can still contain a copyrighted monument and be acceptable for upload to Commons? Or is it a resolution issue? It seems there are various photos of the wall that are on Commons that similarly display the wall without copyright notices or templates, like this one<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vietnam_Veterans_with_Washington_Mon…> . Any insight would be appreciated. thanks, Matthew -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *https://donate.wikimedia.org*

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WikiLovesMonuments Digest, Vol 19, Issue 32
by Peter Ekman 19 Jul '12

19 Jul '12

Dear all, Regarding Matthew's question on Freedom of Panorama and copyright of statues, Katie's answer is correct and pretty much complete. One of the main reasons that we've pretty much limited WLM-US to NRHP sites is that statues can have copyright problems. The NRHP lists are maybe 5% statues, essentially all published before 1978, and I've never seen a copyright problem with one. The Wall, Korean War Memorial and a few similar mall memorials are not on the list. To photograph pre-1978 statues in the US please do the following song and dance: Check with the SIRIS (Smithsonian) site or NRHP data to get the date it was unveiled to the public (date of publication) - all you need to do is show the date is pre-1978. When you photograph the statue, get close up and walk around it, looking for a visible copyright notice. If you can't see a copyright notice, then it's not visible :-) and you are free to upload it to Commons. Can we trust absolute newbies to take this song and dance seriously? (Yes, I sing and dance all the time) I don't think the newbies would take it as deadly serious as some folks at Commons do it. That's the main reason Public Art is not on this year's WLM-US agenda. It's also a good example of how copyright paranoia effects Commons. To tell you the truth, I don't think that pre-WWII sculptors understood copyright in the same way we do now. Almost no sculptures from that period have copyright notices, and I believe when they do they were referring to bronze or stone copies, rather than photographic copies. So Remington's 1910-copyrighted statue is one of the most photographed statues in Philadelphia, and has been since 1910! Buildings, boats, railway locomotives, cornfields, big rocks, breakwaters and other NRHP sites don't have this copyright problem. All the best, Pete Ekman === Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:22:32 -0400 From: aude <aude.wiki(a)gmail.com> To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] FoP and monuments Message-ID: <CAE4hJ8dRP_Q4XYpDrFr5KcfLTV=br0PP8z39z_dPXJ_FSPob3A(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Matthew Roth <mroth(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi all, > In Washington DC after Wikimania, I went on a monument photo walk and was > very happy with some of the photos I took of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial>wall. Then I started looking at the FoP rules in the U.S. and realized I > don't think I can upload most of those photos to Commons, given the wall is > likely considered a statue and is therefore under copyright. Several > questions: > > 1. Is this accurate? Should I consider the photos as inadmissible? > I believe the Vietnam Veterans Memorial wall is okay, however the Vietnam Womens Memorial and the Korean War Memorial are both copyrighted and it's been enforced. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120515/14051218928/postal-service-could-… > 2. Does anyone have experience in other countries with monuments that are > on the list but are still under copyright? Will we need to be clear that > some of the sites on the Register in the U.S. are not eligible for the > contest? > 1978 and 1989 are the magic dates relating to copyright of public artwork http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Public_art_and_copyrights_in_the_… > 3. How does the primary photo<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TouchWall.jpg>on the EnWP article qualify to be hosted on Commons? > Per the freedom of panorama and other guidelines (see above) Note that the rules vary greatly from country to country. Permanently situated outdoor sculpture in Canada is okay for Commons, but not the U.S. and other places. Cheers, Katie > Is there a percentage of a photo that can still contain a copyrighted > monument and be acceptable for upload to Commons? Or is it a resolution > issue? It seems there are various photos of the wall that are on Commons > that similarly display the wall without copyright notices or templates, like > this one<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vietnam_Veterans_with_Washington_Mon…> > . > > Any insight would be appreciated. > > thanks, > Matthew > > > -- > > Matthew Roth > Global Communications > Wikimedia Foundation > +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 > www.wikimediafoundation.org > *https://donate.wikimedia.org* >

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Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA) needs your help
by John Andersson 19 Jul '12

19 Jul '12

Hallo everybody, We have just started working with the Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA)[1] contest that will focus on getting pictures on sculptures, mosaics, mural paintings, memorials and place specific installments in the public space. If you are interested in public art, enjoy organizing events, think that it is cool and interesting to work with projects that increase cooperation between the Chapters, or would like to work towards GLAM in your country, well then this would be something for you! We are looking for all kinds of volunteers and especially for national coordinators that can help us get things going in the countries and coordinate the volunteer efforts! As we don't want to intrude upon the fantastic Wiki Loves Monument contest we are thinking about holding WLPA during the month of May in 2013. However, May will hopefully give us enough time to work on this and provide good enough weather so that the pictures look nice and people think that it is fun to go out and find the art works. We are of course aware of the tricky copyright legislations in different countries but thanks to the fact that this is organized together with Europeana (www.europeana.eu) we have the possibility to use Europeana's team of judicial experts in finding out answers on some of the questions. So if you have a question that is not answered on Commons:Freedom of Panorama[2] please write up your questions on relevant judicial matters on our list and we will forward it to Europeana.[3] Both me and the project leader, Lennart Guldbrandsson, will be at Wikimania and we would love to met and talk to you about this in person! I hope to hear from you soon! All the best, John - - - - John Andersson Wikimedia Sweden (WMSE) Event Manager, Europeana Awareness Phone: +46(0)73-3965189 Email: JohnAndersson86(a)hotmail.com Skype: johnandersson86 Be sure to follow us on Twitter at @wikieuropeana Visit http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Europeana_Awareness/English for more information about our project! [1] http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Europeana_Awareness/Wiki_Loves_Public_… [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama [3] http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Europeana_Awareness/Wiki_Loves_Public_…

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Once more about Toolserver
by Андрій Бондаренко 19 Jul '12

19 Jul '12

Dear colleges, I'm sorry to write once more, but still I have no answer about adding Ukrainian lists to toolserver. So, hereby request you to include 2 lists: 1) Київ/Лівий берег<http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%…> 2) Козятин<http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%…> Template name and its parameters are in this page - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki /Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Monuments_database#Sources_overview Unfortunately nobody from Ukrainian wiki have an "erfgoed" account so I have no chance to add them but only requesting for help here. I'd like to add them as soon as possible. Firstly I must be sure that I do everything correctly and the system works. Secondly if first 2 list will work correctly, this will ensure others, and encourage them to work with other lists, first of all adding coordinates to them. -- Sincerely, Andrij (Wikipedian A1)

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Info from Macedonia
by Dimitrovska Vasilka 19 Jul '12

19 Jul '12

Dear friends, I would like to be part of this group, since I am planning tо start Wiki Loves Monuments in the Republic of Macedonia. Maybe I will need your help from time to time, because this is going to be first time I shall try to organize this event in my country. Best wishes Vasilka --------------------------- Dimitrovska Vasilka M. Sci. in archaeology, professional tourist guide Institute of History and Archaeology "Goce Delcev" University, Štip My web pages Web: http://arheo.com.mk Twitter: @Arheoblog gsm: + 389 75 566 780 ; + 389 77 524 987

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Israel Update
by Deror Avi 17 Jul '12

17 Jul '12

Dear All, As was previously updated, Israel will participate this year in the WLM competition. We wish to update you with our progress. Our first objective was to try and obtain a list of national monuments. This proved to be much more difficult than originally anticipated. According to Israeli antiquities law, any building or object created or built before 1700 is a protected archeological object. Buildings which were built afterwards were not protected. After the demolishing of the Herzaliya Gymnasium in 1962 [1], and following public protests, the National Council for Preservation of Heritage Sites was created. This body did not have any legal capacity to protect landmarks, and worked at advancing public awareness of national heritage sites. Only in 2011 was legislation passed protecting such landmarks. According to the legislation, the National Council will create lists of protected sites which will approved by the local municipalities in order to come into force. This resulted in local politics being involved, and most of the lists were never approved due to local economic interests. We approached the Council, and requested their co-operation. We have held several meetings with the Council, and eventually convinced them to join us in the project. (One of the difficulties was that the Council itself has an annual photography competition, and the WLM would compete with it.) Upon receiving the blessing of the general manager of the National Council, we discovered that the Council itself does not have the lists of monuments. With the assistance of the Council, and after a week of searching, they were able to locate some of the lists, which are uploaded to the project page on Wikipedia [2]. This will be the first time that the list of national monuments will be available online to the Israeli public. We have also contacted several sponsors, and currently await their decision to sponsor the competition. We have contacted the largest local amateur photography school, and asked it to sponsor some of the events we are planning as part of the competition. We will further update once these events are finalized. Regards, Deror [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzliya_Hebrew_Gymnasium [2] http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%A7:WLM:list

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WLM Mobile app alpha3
by Maarten Dammers 17 Jul '12

17 Jul '12

Hi everyone, Thanks to the hard work of the mobile team the first Wiki Loves Monuments mobile app is available now. The application works on your android phone (not iphone yet) and is in alpa state. Alpha state means that it's far from finished yet, but ready for people to start testing with it. You can download the app from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_mobile_application/Feed… . That's also the place to leave feedback about the application. Have fun and I hope you'll like it! Maarten

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Upload wizard
by Jane Darnell 16 Jul '12

16 Jul '12

Hi all, We are approaching the last sprint before launching the competion. I noticed that the WLM upload wizards are still giving this text: "Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 is closed. You may still share your images, but they will not be part of the competition." Should the top line be "Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 has not started yet."? Jane

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Polish "Open monuments" project
by Tomasz Ganicz 13 Jul '12

13 Jul '12

Hi, I was just talking about it during WLM session on Wikimania. See the project made by our local, friendly competitors: http://otwartezabytki.pl/ At the moment they collect monument data in a collaborative way. First - you can search for the monument, then you can improve data - by better placing the monument on map, changing address to more up-to-date etc. See how easy it is for contributors in comparison with editing wiki-tables... Their next step is to make a separate page about each monument where people will upload their pictures, write stories and descriptions of monuments... -- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz

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Meeting up at Wikimania?
by Lodewijk 13 Jul '12

13 Jul '12

Hi all, I was wondering, would there be any interest: * To have a joint WLM dinner somewhere in DC? * or rather have a day time meeting of 1-2 hour during the hacking days Just to be excited together and see what lies ahead :) Besides that, I'd like to ask everyone to meet in the GRAND BALLROOM on Friday, July 13 in the break of 14:30 (right after the Wiki Loves Monuments presentations) to make a group photo on the stage of everyone who helps organize Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or another! I don't expect this to take more than 10 minutes, so lets plan to make the photo at 14:45. (lets hope other sessions won't extend too long into the break) Please feel free to forward to other wlm lists (lets not spam the wikimania list right now though). Lodewijk

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