In Washington DC after Wikimania, I went on a monument photo walk and was
very happy with some of the photos I took of the Vietnam Veterans
Then I started looking at the FoP rules in the U.S. and realized I
don't think I can upload most of those photos to Commons, given the wall is
likely considered a statue and is therefore under copyright. Several
1. Is this accurate? Should I consider the photos as inadmissible?
2. Does anyone have experience in other countries with monuments that are
on the list but are still under copyright? Will we need to be clear that
some of the sites on the Register in the U.S. are not eligible for the
3. How does the primary
photo<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TouchWall.jpg>on the EnWP
article qualify to be hosted on Commons? Is there a percentage
of a photo that can still contain a copyrighted monument and be acceptable
for upload to Commons? Or is it a resolution issue? It seems there are
various photos of the wall that are on Commons that similarly display the
wall without copyright notices or templates, like this
Any insight would be appreciated.
+1.415.839.6885 ext 6635
Regarding Matthew's question on Freedom of Panorama and copyright of
statues, Katie's answer is correct and pretty much complete.
One of the main reasons that we've pretty much limited WLM-US to NRHP
sites is that statues can have copyright problems. The NRHP lists are
maybe 5% statues, essentially all published before 1978, and I've
never seen a copyright problem with one. The Wall, Korean War
Memorial and a few similar mall memorials are not on the list.
To photograph pre-1978 statues in the US please do the following song and dance:
Check with the SIRIS (Smithsonian) site or NRHP data to get the date
it was unveiled to the public (date of publication) - all you need to
do is show the date is pre-1978.
When you photograph the statue, get close up and walk around it,
looking for a visible copyright notice. If you can't see a copyright
notice, then it's not visible :-) and you are free to upload it to
Can we trust absolute newbies to take this song and dance seriously?
(Yes, I sing and dance all the time) I don't think the newbies would
take it as deadly serious as some folks at Commons do it. That's the
main reason Public Art is not on this year's WLM-US agenda. It's also
a good example of how copyright paranoia effects Commons.
To tell you the truth, I don't think that pre-WWII sculptors
understood copyright in the same way we do now. Almost no sculptures
from that period have copyright notices, and I believe when they do
they were referring to bronze or stone copies, rather than
photographic copies. So Remington's 1910-copyrighted statue is one of
the most photographed statues in Philadelphia, and has been since
Buildings, boats, railway locomotives, cornfields, big rocks,
breakwaters and other NRHP sites don't have this copyright problem.
All the best,
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:22:32 -0400
From: aude <aude.wiki(a)gmail.com>
To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] FoP and monuments
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Matthew Roth <mroth(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> In Washington DC after Wikimania, I went on a monument photo walk and was
> very happy with some of the photos I took of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial>wall. Then I started looking at the FoP rules in the U.S. and realized I
> don't think I can upload most of those photos to Commons, given the wall is
> likely considered a statue and is therefore under copyright. Several
> 1. Is this accurate? Should I consider the photos as inadmissible?
I believe the Vietnam Veterans Memorial wall is okay, however the Vietnam
Womens Memorial and the Korean War Memorial are both copyrighted and it's
> 2. Does anyone have experience in other countries with monuments that are
> on the list but are still under copyright? Will we need to be clear that
> some of the sites on the Register in the U.S. are not eligible for the
1978 and 1989 are the magic dates relating to copyright of public artwork
> 3. How does the primary photo<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TouchWall.jpg>on the EnWP article qualify to be hosted on Commons?
Per the freedom of panorama and other guidelines (see above)
Note that the rules vary greatly from country to country. Permanently
situated outdoor sculpture in Canada is okay for Commons, but not the U.S.
and other places.
> Is there a percentage of a photo that can still contain a copyrighted
> monument and be acceptable for upload to Commons? Or is it a resolution
> issue? It seems there are various photos of the wall that are on Commons
> that similarly display the wall without copyright notices or templates, like
> this one<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vietnam_Veterans_with_Washington_Mon…>
> Any insight would be appreciated.
> Matthew Roth
> Global Communications
> Wikimedia Foundation
> +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635
We have just started working with the Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA)
contest that will focus on getting pictures on sculptures, mosaics,
mural paintings, memorials and place
specific installments in the public space. If
you are interested in public art, enjoy organizing events, think that it
is cool and interesting to work with projects that increase cooperation
between the Chapters, or would like to work towards GLAM in your
country, well then this would be something for you! We are looking for
all kinds of volunteers and especially for national coordinators that
can help us get things going in the countries and coordinate the
we don't want to intrude upon the fantastic Wiki Loves Monument contest we are thinking about holding WLPA during the
month of May in 2013. However, May will hopefully give us enough time to work on this and provide good enough weather
so that the pictures look nice and people think that it is fun to go out
and find the art works.
We are of course aware of the tricky copyright legislations in
different countries but thanks to the fact that this is organized
together with Europeana (www.europeana.eu) we have the
possibility to use Europeana's team of judicial experts in finding out
answers on some of the questions. So if you have a question that is not
answered on Commons:Freedom of Panorama please write up your
questions on relevant judicial matters on our list and we will forward
it to Europeana.
Both me and the project leader, Lennart Guldbrandsson, will be at
Wikimania and we would love to met and talk to you about this in person!
I hope to hear from you soon!
All the best,
- - - -
Wikimedia Sweden (WMSE)
Event Manager, Europeana Awareness
Be sure to follow us on Twitter at @wikieuropeana
Visit http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Europeana_Awareness/English for more information about our project!
I'm sorry to write once more, but still I have no answer about adding
Ukrainian lists to toolserver. So, hereby request you to include 2 lists:
1) Київ/Лівий берег<http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%…>
Template name and its parameters are in this page -
Unfortunately nobody from Ukrainian wiki have an "erfgoed" account so I
have no chance to add them but only requesting for help here. I'd like to
add them as soon as possible. Firstly I must be sure that I do everything
correctly and the system works. Secondly if first 2 list will work
correctly, this will ensure others, and encourage them to work with other
lists, first of all adding coordinates to them.
I would like to be part of this group, since I am planning tо start Wiki Loves Monuments in the Republic of Macedonia.
Maybe I will need your help from time to time, because this is going to be first time I shall try to organize this event in my country.
M. Sci. in archaeology, professional tourist guide
Institute of History and Archaeology
"Goce Delcev" University, Štip
My web pages
gsm: + 389 75 566 780 ; + 389 77 524 987
As was previously updated, Israel will participate this year in the WLM competition. We wish to update you with our progress.
Our first objective was to try and obtain a list of national monuments.
This proved to be much more difficult than originally anticipated.
According to Israeli antiquities law, any building or object created or
built before 1700 is a protected archeological object. Buildings which
were built afterwards were not protected. After the demolishing of the
Herzaliya Gymnasium in 1962 , and following public protests, the National Council for Preservation of
Heritage Sites was created. This body did not have any legal capacity to protect landmarks, and worked at advancing public awareness of national heritage sites. Only in 2011 was legislation passed protecting such
landmarks. According to the legislation, the National Council will
create lists of protected sites which will approved by the local
municipalities in order to come into force. This resulted in local
politics being involved, and most of the lists were never approved due
to local economic interests.
We approached the Council, and requested their
co-operation. We have held several meetings with the Council, and
eventually convinced them to join us in the project. (One of the
difficulties was that the Council itself has an annual photography
competition, and the WLM would compete with it.) Upon receiving the
blessing of the general manager of the National Council, we discovered that the Council itself does not have the lists
of monuments. With the assistance of the Council, and after a week of
searching, they were able to locate some of the lists, which are
uploaded to the project page on Wikipedia .
This will be the first time that the list of national monuments will be available online to the Israeli public.
We have also contacted several sponsors, and currently await their decision to sponsor the competition.
We have contacted the largest local amateur
photography school, and asked it to sponsor some of the events we are
planning as part of the competition. We will further update once these
events are finalized.
Thanks to the hard work of the mobile team the first Wiki Loves
Monuments mobile app is available now. The application works on your
android phone (not iphone yet) and is in alpa state. Alpha state means
that it's far from finished yet, but ready for people to start testing
with it. You can download the app from
. That's also the place to leave feedback about the application.
Have fun and I hope you'll like it!
We are approaching the last sprint before launching the competion. I
noticed that the WLM upload wizards are still giving this text:
"Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 is closed.
You may still share your images, but they will not be part of the
Should the top line be "Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 has not started yet."?
I was wondering, would there be any interest:
* To have a joint WLM dinner somewhere in DC?
* or rather have a day time meeting of 1-2 hour during the hacking days
Just to be excited together and see what lies ahead :)
Besides that, I'd like to ask everyone to meet in the GRAND BALLROOM on
Friday, July 13 in the break of 14:30 (right after the Wiki Loves Monuments
presentations) to make a group photo on the stage of everyone who helps
organize Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or another! I don't expect this to
take more than 10 minutes, so lets plan to make the photo at 14:45. (lets
hope other sessions won't extend too long into the break)
Please feel free to forward to other wlm lists (lets not spam the wikimania
list right now though).